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  •  The being faced with expulsion (47+ / 0-)

    isn't entirely accurate.

    That part of the story is quite a bit more complicated than this account reveals.  The student who is being called before the Honor Court is being called before the court, NOT because of University officials, but by the "alleged" rapist, mostly as a retaliation.

    The Honor Court is controlled by the student body, not the administration and all students have a hearing.  The outcome of this hearing is by no means clear, it is entirely likely that this action will be seen as the retaliation that it certainly appears to be, in which case, this could work to actually change the climate on the campus around these issues, depending upon the position that the honor court takes.  The expulsion would come if the student had "damaged" another student's reputation by lying about the attack.  This is clearly an attempt at intimidation on the part of the student bringing the charges, but it doesn't necessarily mean that this student will win.  Expulsion is what he wishes.  

    While it is truly a burden for the young woman to have to undergo this situation, it could, in fact, work in her favor in the long run.

    All the other stuff, from the admin however, is appalling.  I say this as a female graduate of the University, and one of its staunchest supporters in the past.  I think as female graduates we have a great deal of advocacy power if we pool together.  Anytime you get a call from the Alumni office asking for donations, tell UNC to enter into the 21st century regarding sexual attacks and rape on campus.  Withhold your support and let the university see the power of all the powerful women it has helped to create since admitting women to the general college in the 1960's.

    That's yet another way to impact change in an institution.

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 08:16:54 AM PDT

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    •  However, there is nothing that says the Honor (2+ / 0-)
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      Court can't "convict" and vote to expel her even if the rapist has already been convicted in criminal court as they are two completely separate systems.  In fact, she might not even be able to sue to get back in after the rapists' criminal conviction and may end up shit out of luck.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 11:34:31 AM PDT

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      •  That's not likely to happen, however... (2+ / 0-)
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        since I don't believe there are criminal charges (but I could be wrong on this detail).  I suspect it also isn't likely to happen because the Honor Court doesn't like to be misued in very personal ways, plus women are well represented on the court.

        I'm not going to predict what is going to happen, but I'm also not going to accept that the thing is obviously decided, either.

        There's a lot of space for many different outcomes.

        Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

        by a gilas girl on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 01:30:35 PM PDT

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        •  Some more info (6+ / 0-)

          from Huffpo on the Honor Court complaint filed against Ms. Gambill by her ex-boyfriend:

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

          Gambill previously told The Huffington Post that Desirée Rieckenberg, UNC senior associate dean of students, was listed on documents as helping Gambill's alleged abuser file his own Honor Court complaint against her. Neither Rieckenberg nor university spokespersons would comment on the matter to The Huffington Post.
          That sounds like active participation by the University administration in retaliating against her for filing the complaint with the Feds to me.

          "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

          by Steven D on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 01:39:27 PM PDT

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        •  Also this: (7+ / 0-)

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

          The University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill announced Tuesday it would suspend the Honor Court proceeding against Landen Gambill, a sophomore who has criticized the school's handling of her sexual assault case and others. The pending Honor Court case was filed against Gambill by an unnamed ex-boyfriend, who she claims abused her.

          In January, Gambill joined four other women in filing a federal complaint concerning the university's response to reports of sexual violence on campus. Gambill said she believes the present charges against her in the student-led Honor Court system were brought in retaliation for her speaking out. [...]

          The university had previously said on multiple occasions that the administration has no say in Honor Court proceedings, denying the allegation that proceeding against Gambill was retaliatory.

          However, Gambill's attorney Henry Clay Turner pointed out in a letter to Thorp on Monday that the chancellor "remains solely responsible for all matters of student discipline," including the Honor Court.

          .

          "If you tell the truth, you'll eventually be found out." Mark Twain

          by Steven D on Tue Mar 26, 2013 at 01:42:37 PM PDT

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