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  •  I looked it up. (1+ / 0-)
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    MargaretPOA

    Born in Canada makes you Canadian citizen at birth. If paperwork was done later to make Cruz American citizen then he is not natural born.

    The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. - Elbert Hubbard -9.62/-8.15

    by GustavMahler on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 07:14:32 PM PDT

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    •  There is more to it than that . . . (4+ / 0-)

      Canada like many jurisdictions has the principle of Jus soli meaning you acquire Canadian citizenship at birth.

      However at birth he also inherited his mother's American Citizenship because American permits citizenship to passed from mother to son in that fashion.

      Therefore he is a native born American(i.e. not naturalized), even if the declaration of citizenship was done later it is immaterial.  He already was in considered American in the eyes of the law.

    •  An important point (0+ / 0-)

      I guess it would depend on the paperwork then. I had a friend who had a child while her husband was serving in the US armed services in Turkey. The child carries dual citizenship but that situation isn't really analogous either. If Cruz's citizenship had to be applied for, rather than being granted automatically as a military dependent, that changes everything, doesn't it?

      "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

      by MargaretPOA on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 07:42:05 PM PDT

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      •  Process (0+ / 0-)

        If one or both parents are U.S. citizens, then they aren't applying for citizenship. They are proving that their child is an American citizen.

        The parents submit all the paperwork required to prove their citizenship and the baby's birth. The State Department determines whether the baby is a citizen, and then notifies the parents in writing that the baby is regarded by the U.S. government as a U.S. citizen born abroad.

        There may be some additional steps to prove parentage if the State Department has any questions about whether this baby is indeed the biological child of an American citizen.

        After they get the State Department's written confirmation, then the parents can take the next step of applying for the passport.

      •  Baby born in Turkey (0+ / 0-)

        Margaret, if the baby was born in Turkey, then the parents had to do basically the same thing that the Cruzes did many years earlier: provide the information required to prove the U.S. citizenship of the parent(s) and to provide proof that this baby was indeed their biological child.

        It is no more or less automatic, in the sense of how many hoops the baby has to jump through.

        The State Department is no doubt quite confident that a  woman named on a birth certificate is indeed the same woman who gave birth to a baby in a U.S. military hospital. So that's good.

        But a baby born in Turkey--even one born in a U.S. military hospital--and a baby born in Calgary are in the same basic position of being U.S. citizens born abroad.

        For both, once you prove the citizenship of the parent(s) and the birth of this baby to them, then in due course you hear back from the State Department that the baby's citizenship has been recognized.

    •  Dual citizen (0+ / 0-)

      Ted Cruz was a dual citizen at the very moment of his birth: a citizen of Canada because he was born in Canada, and a citizen of the U.S. because his mother transmitted her citizenship to him.

      The parents would have notified the Consulate General in Calgary. (There was one: the first Consulate General in Calgary was established in 1906.)

      Paperwork would have been submitted--mom's passport, Ted's birth certificate, etc.

      In due course, the parents would have received confirmation from the State Department that baby Ted was indeed recognized as a citizen who had been born abroad. All they needed to do then was apply for a passport for him.

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