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  •  Well, you haven't been exactly (2+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund, gerrilea

    Mister Calm and Rational in this either, but I do understand your objections. I was merely asking Bob how come a defensive weapon is any less legitimate than staking out a defensible and productive piece of property away from the city and learning how to grow corn is when it comes to notions of SHTF.

    Given scenarios where shit hits fan, of course. Everybody's got their own ideas of when things become so disarranged that survival mode kicks in. Hell, my limit of tolerance was exceeded twenty years ago, my family will do fine when/if some big version of SHTF happens. Some would consider global financial collapse to factor large in such a scenario, and that's been happening for half a decade already. As the energy situation becomes completely untenable, natural resources are done with being depleted, and the Norquist zombies get their wish for total anarchy, others will take whatever steps they can and feel are necessary if they care to survive.

    I'm just wondering where Bob draws the line, or if he truly believes there's nothing going wrong in this country/world that voting for some fully pre-approved and duly leashed politician can't cure.

    •  Bob's Theme Is Used For Threadjacks Day After Day (1+ / 0-)
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      gerrilea

      And there's the usual gang of people willing to HR anyone who complains, but they've actually been well behaved today.

      This should be a concern about anyone that really wants some form of gun control, because this sort of highly repetitive wankery isn't really helping their cause (if in fact they give a rat's ass about guns).

      You notice, I'm not even taking a position on any of these issues, I'm just calling him out for making up shit.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 04:58:06 PM PDT

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      •  Meh. (2+ / 0-)
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        gerrilea, Smoh

        Bob's talking points are no more canned tripe than the NRA's. After awhile, it's pointless from either direction. The rhetoric of the gun control issue hasn't changed, probably never will. I'd just hoped that this time the public outcry and strong levels of support would result in some reasonable restrictions to an unfettered right to willful mayhem. If not on rifle styles, at least on magazine capacity and background checks. Maybe ammo as well. Hell, I'd have added liability insurance requirements.

        If we couldn't even get that much, Bob's rhetoric doesn't mean shit to a tree. I'm sure that's a lot more frustrating to him than his repetition of canned talking points is frustrating to you.

        •  NRA Talking Points Don't Threadjack On DK (1+ / 0-)
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          gerrilea

          I don't see people randomly threadjackinng with NRA talking points here.  I do see people trying to conflate gun ownership with paranoia and white supremacy on a daily basis on DailyKos.  Browse my comments for examples.

          There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

          by bernardpliers on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 08:32:35 PM PDT

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          •  Well, fact of the matter (2+ / 0-)
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            gerrilea, Smoh

            is that given the actual diary to which your comments have predictably resulted in this march to the right, it is you who have done the threadjacking. The diary is about a notable murderous psychopathic right-winger nut job, not about Bob's grumpy one-liners (for which he and his dog are famous), nor is it about your defensive sensibilities on prominent display.

            You should have figured out by now that there are lots of kossacks who abhor guns and/or cower in abject fear of guns. Jacking threads and/or diaries denigrating guns and gun owners on those terms is pointless, nobody's mind gets changed.

            I am a gun owner. Of course my gun is a display of my fear (paranoia) of the things/situations I may need a gun to deal with. The question there is whether or not there's good reason for me or anyone else to be paranoid enough to own a gun, and THAT is the thrust of my question to Bob. Sort of an "aren't things weird enough for you yet?" type of thing per the SHTF reference.

            I see no reason to get personally offended whenever someone notices the implicit paranoia of owning a gun. I think it's rather humorous, in fact, that people who whine the most about gun owners being paranoid are those who are the most paranoid of guns.

            Nobody shoots anybody via the internet. And nobody disarms anybody via the internet. See how that works?

          •  Or, to make it easier, (2+ / 0-)
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            gerrilea, Smoh

            I now have a question for you...

            Are you trying to claim that owning a gun for defensive purposes does NOT display paranoia of people/situations where you might need a gun to defend yourself?

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              Joieau, gerrilea, andalusi

              may or may not have a degree of concern/fear that rises to the level of actual paranoia, but still own a gun expressly for possible defensive use.

              "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

              by happy camper on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 09:30:13 AM PDT

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              •  I wasn't going to get picky (2+ / 0-)
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                happy camper, Smoh

                about the specific term, since it's bandied about from so many directions so indiscriminately these days that it's lost all particular specificity. Just means "afraid" of whatever the term is tossed as applying to. Not much punch as an epithet.

                I see 'paranoia' in the watered-down sense as being entirely legitimate on both sides of this coin. For whatever that's worth.

                I would never advise someone terrified of guns to get a gun for defensive use. In that scenario they are much more likely to end up shot by their own gun. Nor would I ever try to prevent someone sincerely afraid of criminals from getting a gun for defensive purposes. Even though they too are much more likely to end up shot by their own gun. It's a right, people choose to exercise it or not.

                People who are not afraid of guns or people with guns are the only ones who don't deserve the watered-down label 'paranoid'.

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