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  •  By the way, when was USA supposed to be an Empire? (5+ / 0-)

    This weird thing about 'no Empire which embraced homosexuality survived' -- first, no empire of any type 'survived'.

    Rome, Incan, Mayan -- they all eventually perished, or if you want to argue it, became a mere nation-state, as China did.

    Also, when did it become part of the American Dream and Founding Fathers and CONSTUSHUN to be an "Empire" which, I dunno, lasted forever?

    (This is a point on their rhetorical embrace of the notion of a perpetual Empire as part of America surviving;  the USA as a nation-state having its power elite establishment imposing its will forcibly upon the world, well, that's mere actual imperialism.  We're talking the rhetorical variety here.)

    •  It's much more likely (5+ / 0-)

      that the US will perish at the hands of a Big Bank or Big Oil than it will due to same sex marriage.

      Wanna talk about immoral stuff?  How about the latest mortgage crisis?

    •  Well in the theology of those who push this junk.. (1+ / 0-)
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      el cid

      The only reason that the U.S. is allowed to exist is IF we obey their interpretation of Biblical Law as per the KJV.

      Otherwise divine wrath will be turned against us [see theodicy comments about 911, Katrina, grass fires etc.,].

      They believe that these other great civilizations perished, not simply because of entropy, or due to any kind of normal, scientific explanations like natural disasters [not caused by angry gods], but because they were Pagans, they had a different moral code [which in by modern medievalist terms equates to no moral code], and were peopled entirely with souls damned to hell for not being saved.

      So Homosexuality being allegedly embraced in these cultures is but one of several "mortal" sins that will end an empire or civilization.

      Its ritualism at it's base. As long as society is successful, then god is happy with them. If society has issues, then a scape goat must be found, unbelievers must be expelled to restore cosmic harmony. Today it's homosexuals, but its just as often women, other religions, people of different racial extractions or who have "funny" accents.

      It's a great way to avoid dealing with the true underbelly of society, while feeling like the action one is taking goes to the greater good.

    •  they ought to spend more time (1+ / 0-)
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      reading history that hasn't been dumbed down for bible school students.
      Two hundred years, and we're still having trouble with people who don't get 'federal republic with representative democracy'. Or even plain 'democracy' - look at the voter-suppression efforts these same congresscritters love so much. That's far more dangerous to the country than same-sex marriage.
      We have a long, long time before we can compare ourselves to thousand-year-old empires like Rome.

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Wed Mar 27, 2013 at 02:35:53 PM PDT

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