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  •  I Understand Your Despondency (0+ / 0-)

    But we have the opportunity to stop them. This is about ideas. They are dependent on ideas, but ideas spread on their own. They are trying to convince people that Social Security benefits have to be cut and we have to ultimately replace the whole system.

    It's a bad idea. But, put the right ideas out and they take on a life of their own. All members of Congress they own still have to be elected. What the public thinks matters.

    So, we need to put the right ideas out. It doesn't matter if you call them liberal, radical or anything else.

    The first matter is to stop stupid changes from being made. Undoing damage is more difficult than preventing it. The important thing here is to turn the conversation to wages and employment. That makes it difficult to justify cutting benefits. So, that's my focus.

    •  Thank you LT for replying. Yeah, (1+ / 0-)
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      and w/chuckie and davie koch buying the LA Times, the Chicago Tribune and the Maryland paper and the TV swamping us w/the likes of Rendell, Simpson, Bowles, Durbin, NPR, CSPAN (npr and cspan are in the tank) and all their other outlets, I'm sure our ideas will get out there (sorry for the sarcasm).  Money talks and they have virtually all media outlets sown up.  We have this website, Rachel Maddow, Ed Schultz, Chris Hayes, and ???? We don't even have Pelosi and Reid to be counted on for anything and our President is on their side and he isn't running for anything except his daughters inheritance.

      Short of something super dramatic, we don't have a prayer.
      Perhaps tens of thousands stalking every Dem in the Senate and House, no matter where they go, continuously for months w/o a break might convince them but I don't see talking to ourselves having much of an impact.

      We don't even have a consensus here about raising the cap. That's bizarre.

      Oh, and we have the ideas. Ideas aren't the problem. The problem is teh stupids have been taught to hate everything but what they should. They don't realize it's about class and not sex, age, color, geography etc. So much money has been spent schooling them on hating each other we couldn't possibly overcome their stupidity.
      They could be starving and still hate the poor guy next to them and salute the billionaire flying overhead.

      For me, it's about productivity that has been stolen for the past thirty years and raising the cap and capping the wealthy's take is simply just a return of stolen productivity.

      People here complain we shouldn't upset the wealthy cause they'll take everything away from us. Amazing.

      Ideas no longer take on a life of their own. Murder twenty angels in an idyllic upper middle class safe classroom and we can't even get our Senate leader to introduce a bill.  Ninety-one percent have the same idea, background checks, and we can't get that to the floor of the Senate. How are we gonna stop Obama from giving away SS to the people who will fund his daughters inheritance. I'm sure he's calculated what it will take to securely fund his heirs out to several generations (considering several iterations of grandchildren and great grandchildren it will take a few hundred million dollars which he's probably been assured will come to him if he just puts our future on the table).  And isn't it odd the repubs haven't grabbed it. 'Cause they don't want scraps, they want it all.

      My sigline reflects how I'm thinking.

      "I freed a thousand slaves, I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves" Harriet Tubman

      by BrianParker14 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 12:06:43 AM PDT

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      •  Buck Up! (0+ / 0-)

        I hear what you're saying, and it is tempting to let pessimism take over. They are systematically buying up the media.

        But I believe we have the advantage in the long run because we are building a national community. The process might be hard and messy. We can't even agree to the cap. But that hard process also makes the result solid.

        I believe in the end we will triumph because of what I call "Al Gore's Revenge". That's the social Internet, which allows us to form national communities, like Daily Kos.

        IMO the national community elected Barack Obama President, and re-elected him. It decided and then no amount of money from the right-wing could change that decision. And it did that based on his ideas and theirs.

        Our hope is in building community. One-way communication doesn't work in the social Internet. Only discussions like this one work, where one person works one-on-one with another to convince them. This process favors truth and it favors good ideas.

        Imagine the Koch's trying to get their ideas across in a forum like this, where their ideas are open to countervailing facts and intelligent critique. It doesn't matter how many dollars they have in their pockets. The ideas matter.

        It's important for us to build the community and to discuss our ideas here. Once the community has decided, no amount of money matters. That's the future, and I'm bullish on at least that part of it.

        •  An academic article that agree's w/you (1+ / 0-)
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          "The end of the meat politics era"

          http://dissidentvoice.org/...

          I used to have a signline that said "Don't believe everything you think".  Guess I should apply that to myself.

          Thank you for the positive feedback, Liberal Thinking.

          "I freed a thousand slaves, I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves" Harriet Tubman

          by BrianParker14 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 03:09:49 PM PDT

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