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  •  Tradition and Radicalism (4+ / 0-)
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    raincrow, Dirtandiron, Ahianne, deminva

    Because the text grounded the faith of your father and mother and their fathers and mothers, for centuries if not millennia.   Because the text still offers a radical vision for a just society.  And because much of society still embraces the text, you cannot successfully preach a radically just society without use of it.

    Just to name a few.  

    The text has,of course, also been used to promulgate horrible injustice.  And that too can be cause to reject the text.

    But the metaphysical and legal scribblings of bronze age people are in fact holy.  Holy in a very literal sense in that they are set apart and exist in a pure way.   You can accept it or reject it, use it for good or evil, but ignore it at your peril.

    •  I'll grant you that there are some impressive (6+ / 0-)

      ideas about building a good society in the Bible, particularly the New Testament, but a lot of your comment really doesn't make much sense to someone without religious faith, I'm afraid. The concepts of good and evil and purity and holiness just don't chime with me, and nothing relying on them will convince me of anything.

      And, by the way, my parents don't ground their faith in it either. They put up Christmas trees about of habit, and that's about it.

      •  If I may recommend a book (4+ / 0-)
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        Dirtandiron, kyril, caul, aitchdee

        Slavoj Žižek's "The Fragile Absolute" addresses some of these issues from an atheist/leftist perspective.  

        And btw,  I wasn't trying to convince you to personally adopt the bible etc., just trying to explain why a progressive minded person would.

        •  Thank you, I'll have to check it out. (4+ / 0-)
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          Dirtandiron, kyril, caul, aitchdee

          And I do get that you're not trying to evangelize, it's a totally reasonable conversation to bring your beliefs out in. Those aren't my beliefs, is all, and they run counter to my progressive tendencies even when you phrase them that way. My base assumptions about the world are really, really different from yours.

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