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View Diary: 'Shooter' bursts into classroom to confront teacher. What if the teacher had been armed? UPDATE X2 (120 comments)

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  •  Now hang on just a damn minute (7+ / 0-)

    I'm no fan of the whack jobs, but I am a fan of reading and representing honestly what a law or proposed law says.

    SB 325 does NOT "list the reasons for using a gun in the classroom."  It amends an existing law that already defines certain crimes:

    A.  A person commits interference with or disruption of an educational institution by doing any of the following:
    1.  Intentionally, knowingly or recklessly interfering with or disrupting the normal operations of an educational institution by either:
    (a)  Threatening to cause physical injury to any employee or student of an educational institution or any person on the property of an educational institution.
    (b)  Threatening to cause damage to any educational institution, the property of any educational institution or the property of any employee or student of an educational institution.
    2.  Intentionally or knowingly entering or remaining on the property of any educational institution for the purpose of interfering with the lawful use of the property or in any manner as to deny or interfere with the lawful use of the property by others.
    3.  Intentionally or knowingly refusing to obey a lawful order given pursuant to subsection C of this section.
    That's existing law.  Existing law also authorizes administrators to require people to leave schools, requires schools to adopt rules governing behavior, etc.

    The proposed law authorizes teachers to conceal carry or to have handguns they bring to school stored in a weapons locker.

    I completely agree that the proposed law is resoundingly stupid, but it doesn't authorize the use of a weapon for the reasons described in the diary.  The teacher would have to have a reason to use the weapon that's already permitted under applicable law.  Having guns in the classroom is moronic, and the lawful presence of a gun makes its use more likely, but let's be honest when describing the bill.

    •  The thing is... (10+ / 0-)

      It's very complex... do you really think people are going to weigh the merits of the 4th paragraph of some legalese? Or will they just shoot the guy, because they have a gun, are scared, and heard somewhere they can do that..?

      I once went on a cross-country trek that took me through a mix of public & private lands. There was a rumor around that private land-owners could shoot trespassers on sight. I doubted this was actually the case, but all that mattered was that the landowners believed it was the case. After I'm shot, I can't argue the point. I'm dead. So what if they go to jail after a lenghty trial? I'm still dead.  

      That's the problem with these kinds of laws... we're asking regular people to make very complex legal judgements, and when there is a gun involved, there's no chance for an appeal.

      Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

      by walk2live on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 03:49:23 PM PDT

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    •  Your are right and I will reword the diary. Thx. (6+ / 0-)

      stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

      by Mother Mags on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 05:18:35 PM PDT

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    •  Thank You (1+ / 0-)
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      Reading the Diary, I was thinking it is simply not possible that teachers have been given the right to shoot someone for reasons that do not exist anywhere else in society.  If a teacher could shoot someone for disrupting a class, there would be a whole lot of dead children.

      We often make fun of Right-Wingers for being willing to believe the most ridiculous stuff. But our side is often guilty of doing the same thing.

      And yeah, letting teachers carry a gun at school is a tragedy waiting to happen.

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