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  •  Except Jim Carrey is a vehement vaccine denier. (10+ / 0-)

    He learned that from his former girlfriend, the brilliant vaccine researcher Jenny McCarthy.
    While I am glad to learn about Jim Carrey's anti-assault gun efforts, and applaud him for that, I wish he would be reality-based about vaccines. Vaccines save lives and do not cause autism.

    "For we, the people, understand that our country cannot succeed when a shrinking few do very well and a growing many barely make it." - President Barack Obama, Second Inaugural Address, January 21, 2013.

    by surfermom on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 08:19:09 PM PDT

    •  What are you gonna do? (5+ / 0-)

      Dr. Dworkin used to post Penn and Teller's video ridiculing vaccine deniers all the time, but Penn and Teller are vehement climate change deniers.

      (Frankly, I think they take any position a big corporation supports -- and the big corporations just happened to be right on the vaccine question.)

      Anyway, guess you gotta overlook blind spots sometimes. (He might have just been supporting his partner anyway, which is noble in a misguided sort of way.)

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Fri Mar 29, 2013 at 08:25:23 PM PDT

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      •  Erm... (0+ / 0-)

        ...I don't think you're advocating overlooking Penn & Teller's blind spots, are you? Because they're kind of wrong and awful about more or less everything.

        •  Everything? Oh good grief. (0+ / 0-)

          No, they aren't. P&T's Bullshit! got it right most of the time. They did drop the ball on climate change, definitely. But I can't think of much else where they got it wrong.

          Unless you buy into the New Age woo, of course.

          •  Everything I've read from them... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...has been crappy libertarian apologia.

            Sometimes they come out against things that are genuinely bad, but only because they happen to be things that libertarians hate.

            •  Then you've only read selective things. (0+ / 0-)

              I watched all of the Bullshit! series, and they definitely got it right more often than not. Yes, they completely screwed up on climate change and second-hand smoke (and Penn later acknowledged both episode's faults). But they got so much more right.

              Here are some of the things they either debunked or championed on the show. Are you telling me they were wrong about these issues?

              -Debunked fraudulent psychics who bilk people out of money to contact dead loved ones.
              -Debunked pseudoscientific medicinal practices.
              -Debunked bottled water (even citing the environmental cost of all those bottles)
              -Attacked the diet fad and exercise fad industries for manipulating people for profit
              -Challenged the War on Drugs as the wasteful, violence-engineering con game it is
              -Criticized Creationism and attempts to teach it in school while showing that Evolution is indeed fact
              -Supported gay marriage while hammering the "Family Values" crowd for hypocrisy
              -Criticized people who spend millions of $$ on stupid, extravagant luxury items (the episode "The Best").
              -Slammed the Boy Scouts for being anti-gay and anti-atheist
              -Supported ending the Death Penalty, showing it was inhumane and ineffective.
              -Criticized abstinence-only sex education as useless and counterproductive
              -Attacked the anti-public breast feeding crowd as prudish  zealots
              -Supported humane immigration policies and slammed the Minute Men and other insane anti-immigrant groups
              -Criticized uber-patriotism and showed the negative consequences of national jingoism (Penn has publicly opposed the Iraq and Afghanistan wars all along)
              -Debunked the whole nostalgia for the "good old days," showing that the 1950s were not the halcyon days for most groups of people, esp. women and blacks.
              -Attacked the massive hypocrisy of the Vatican and skewered it for the child rape cover up.
              -Showed how "multi-level marketing" schemes are just a form of pyramid scams (not exactly Libertarian there!)

              So yeah, they got it wrong sometimes, but more often than not they were right, and in ways most progressives would cheer.

    •  This. (2+ / 0-)
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      This is why I can't support him. Oh, I liked this video enough. Its fun.

      But on that vaccine thing, he is so wrong. Normally I don't take things personally but... Well I'm a microbiology student. Its kinda hard not to take it personally when you're being actively told you are responsible for giving children autism.

      Oddly enough, when I point out that I study microbiology and that I have an autism spectrum disorder (and thus, am extremely obsessed with microbiology)... The anti-vaccine fanatics stop replying to me.

      But that's a story for another day.

      "Trust not the words of a poet, as he is born to seduce. Yet for poetry to seize the heart, it must ring with the chimes of truth."

      by kamrom on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 04:39:38 AM PDT

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    •  Actually, although (0+ / 1-)
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      I heard that a recent study found no link between autism and vaccines, there is plenty of evidence that vaccines are harmful to small children. I would recommend spreading a vaccination schedule for children out to last a few years, instead of doing it all in a short period of time. There are still questions: Why do they put mercury in there?  

      A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

      by onionjim on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 04:56:32 AM PDT

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      •  misinformation (9+ / 0-)

        1. there is no link between autism and vaccines
        2. the only vax that has thimerosal (harmless form of mercury) is flu vaccine, and even there you can obtain versions that don't have it by request. Why is it there? As a preservative for 10 dose vials so you can use one vial for 10 people.
        3. The "spreading vaccination" idea is bullshit. Completely unfounded. Made up.

        link

        Worse, Dr. Bob uses the logical fallacy known as argumentum ad temperantiam, also known as middle ground, false compromise, gray fallacy and the golden mean fallacy. This fallacy implies that the positions being represented are extremes of a continuum of options, that such extremes are wrong, and that the “middle ground” must be correct. It’s a very seductive fallacy, because whenever people see arguments in which two seemingly extreme positions are presented, their first tendency is to look for compromise by “splitting the difference” and assuming that the correct answer is somewhere in the middle. Yet such is not always the case, particularly in matters of science. For instance, the correct scientific position is not somewhere between that of anthropogenic global warming denialists and everyone else or somewhere between what creationists claim and what evolutionists know from science. Likewise, the correct answer regarding vaccination is not somewhere in the middle, between the claims of antivaccinationists and what real scientists say about vaccination.
        Garbage. Whacko stuff.

        Link:

        Over the past four years, I’ve encountered a lot of people whose views about science, medicine, and vaccines I disagree with. Many of those people are quite angry with me; I’ve been accused of being everything from a paid propagandist for pharmaceutical companies to a baby killer. Still, for the most part, I firmly believe that the men and women who are driving the vaccine “debate” are motivated by their genuine conviction that they are doing what is best for children. They’re wrong, and the effects of their misguided beliefs are dangerous (and potentially deadly)—but I try to respect where they’re coming from and be compassionate about their situations.

        Then there’s “Dr. Bob” Sears, a first-rate huckster who has made hundreds of thousands of dollars by getting parents to pay for the “alternative” vaccine schedule he peddles in The Vaccine Book. (As of mid-February, Bookscan, which typically captures about 70 percent of book sales, reported total sales of more than 130,000.) I wrote about Sears’s bestseller in The Panic Virus (if you’re interested in a more complete evisceration of Sears’s work, read Paul Offit’s analysis in Pediatrics).

        Just sayin'. ;-)

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 07:50:17 AM PDT

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      •  No, there is not such evidence (2+ / 0-)
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        The mercury facilitates an immune response.  The amount used is extremely small.

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Sat Mar 30, 2013 at 07:55:20 AM PDT

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      •  no, there isn't. (1+ / 0-)
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        that's just bullshit.

      •  I read your post. (3+ / 0-)
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        And I'll answer your question. The ethylmercury is used as a preservative.  In developing nations the lack of refrigeration and the draw of multiple doses of tetanus and other life saving vaccines from vials puts recipients at risk for infections from contaminated vials.  Thimerosal mitigates these risks. The uninformed and harmful push to eliminate thimerosal from ALL vaccines will probably make it more expensive (think less vaccine and more risk) to provide vials of vaccine.  No more multidose vials. More vaccine shortages. Fewer vaccinations. More deaths. All because some guy in England (he has been discredited and is in a sea of legal hot water over child abuse and scientific fraud) decided to spread fear about a fake link between vaccines and autism.

        Can you cite a peer reviewed article with evidence that clustered vaccines cause harm?  I don't remember seeing this.  Is the American Academy of Pediatrics advocating separating vaccines temporally?  They were one of the opponents of thimerosal, but have reversed their stance in light of the evidence of its safety.

        Sad that Jim Carrey hasn't put as much thought into vaccine policy as he has into gun regulation.

        •  Oh well (0+ / 0-)

          no sense in being cautious, scientists are discredited, studies are flawed, and evidence is corroborated. Its just words. Vaccines are awesome. I just recommend caution. No need to overreact.

          A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

          by onionjim on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 04:22:41 PM PDT

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