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  •  Yup (59+ / 0-)

    We're headed to the bottom at rapid speed. We're not even close to being there yet, either. These fluffy "economy is getting better" reports are designed to keep you in a holding pattern, lest you decide to get with your unemployed friends and effect your own local OWS-type effort.

    If only people would turn off the fucking corporate media bullshit and start thinking ahead...

    It is time to #Occupy Media.

    by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 07:28:03 AM PDT

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    •  Better, if people broke into mass-reach Media (30+ / 0-)

      and had hand in shaping narratives.

      People ain't going to turn the things off -- still 5 hours a day viewing on average, after 20 years of internet -- so of the two wishful options (turn-off or takeover), the takeover is the one we still need.


      If Republicans said every 3rd person named "Smith" should hang, we'd bargain them to every 7th. Then we'll see apologia written praising this most pragmatic compromise. There's our losing formula.

      by Jim P on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 07:36:31 AM PDT

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      •  That would be the best option (16+ / 0-)
        if people broke into mass-reach Media
        That's what it is actually going to take.

        It is time to #Occupy Media.

        by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 07:58:13 AM PDT

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        •  It takes about 5 minutes reflection to realize (28+ / 0-)

          that through mass-reach Media, our entire "official" political narrative -- what is talked about, and how; what is not ever mentioned or hinted at -- is decided by the 1%.

          That the blogosphere has to this moment failed to focus on how to pull the linchpin of the prime mechanism of oppression and confusion has been a blunder of truly historic proportions.


          If Republicans said every 3rd person named "Smith" should hang, we'd bargain them to every 7th. Then we'll see apologia written praising this most pragmatic compromise. There's our losing formula.

          by Jim P on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 08:17:38 AM PDT

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          •  Agreed, but I don't know (14+ / 0-)

            that I would call this a blunder, per se:

            That the blogosphere has to this moment failed to focus on how to pull the linchpin of the prime mechanism of oppression and confusion has been a blunder of truly historic proportions.
            First of all, let's remember who actually owns the infrastructure of the blogosphere, shall we? And then consider all the ways in which it is monitored (see: Facebook, Twitter). Look no further than OWS to see what can happen.  

            If we're to organize, it must be "off the grid", so to speak--particularly if it's an effort to "occupy media".

            It is time to #Occupy Media.

            by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 08:26:28 AM PDT

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            •  We can use the blogosphere to organize (11+ / 0-)

              and every other type of modern media.

                But there is no substitute for people turning out in the streets. That's really the only way to get their attention.

              ¡Cállate o despertarás la izquierda! - protest sign in Spain

              by gjohnsit on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 09:24:20 AM PDT

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              •  No it's really 2-fold today, when it comes to (14+ / 0-)

                Feets-in-the-Streets and the #PTB (powers that be) and our 4th Estate.

                Our vaunted Free Press is not free, and it ONLY pays attention to anything other than what the News Director has approved for the show schedule that day if the impact is big enough.

                What it comes down to is that in today's world, if you want the PTB's attention, you have to not only show up, it must be in numbers too big to spin.

                More importantly, it will have to be done in massive numbers in multiple locations. Because the only way to truly reach the massive mushy middle of America is for this to be on the local nightly news in the first five minutes of the broadcast in markets from ATL (atlanta, ga) to PDX (portland, or).

                Which is where most people still get their dose of daily news that matters, just before dinner each night.

                So we need to use:

                Blogosphere to plan
                Social Media to organize and co-ordinate actions

                and most importantly, we need an energized, activated Populous which has had ENOUGH and is ready to stand up in public and be counted.

                We're not there yet, but if this weak recovery starts to slip, and the rate of new jobs goes south again even in the face of continued rising stock market values?

                This stranglehold the uber-wealthy have here at home and abroad now cannot last - there will come a 'last straw' moment for the burgeoning working class in this country, the ones falling further and further from the American Dream with each passing year. When an uprising looks to be less painful than continuing on in hopeless fashion to lower and lower expectations, year after year... it's an uprising that we'll see.


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                by Angie in WA State on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 09:55:24 AM PDT

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                •  Never too big to spin (19+ / 0-)
                  What it comes down to is that in today's world, if you want the PTB's attention, you have to not only show up, it must be in numbers too big to spin.
                  I was an active member of the anti-war movement before we invaded Iraq.
                     I remember how 50,000 people would turn out to protest the coming war, and 500 people would turn out supporting the war, and the media would cover both protests equally. And no, I'm not exaggerating.

                    I remember one protest in San Francisco, when the police estimated that 150,000 people turned out to protest the war. It was enormous.
                     Well, someone took a picture from a helicoptor. Somehow they arrived at "only" 64,000 protestors, as if that number was somehow small.
                     Ignoring the fact that protestors were coming and leaving all the time (thus a single snapshot wasn't going to get everyone), the media still turned the story into "the police are exaggerating the opposition to the war and are thus part of the liberal establishment".

                    You see, it can always be spun. What can't be spun is persistence.

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                  by gjohnsit on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 10:35:17 AM PDT

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                  •  But that is my point (4+ / 0-)
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                    What is needed is not merely huge numbers of folks to get out in the public square to protest, but we need the damned Media to show the rest of the country that it's happening everywhere all at the same time.

                    Otherwise, people think it's just another thing that some crazy group is doing that day.

                    We don't need events.

                    We need a MOVEMENT.

                    One which has so much noise and action attached to it that the corporately owned and operated Media cannot squelch the news of it reaching a majority of the voters.

                    I too was in one of those anti-war protests (PDX). I was stupefied to find those world-wide protests (and in Europe they were much bigger than here at home) didn't stop the Invasion of Iraq in March of 2003. Hell, it didn't cause anyone in a position of power to even pause for a moment to re-think anything. The US was Warbound, and that was that.

                    I've watched the decade since then, as group after group garners larger and larger demonstrations across the US, leading up to the Occupy Movement, which was something different both in scope and coverage by the Media.

                    What was the difference of Occupy from the rest of the decade?

                    They were all over the damned country, from NYC to LA. People saw them live, in many cities, day after day.

                    The local news carried images of the Occupy in that city to viewers across the nation. Repeatedly.


                    "I like paying taxes...with them, I buy Civilization"

                    by Angie in WA State on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 10:55:23 AM PDT

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                    •  And all that coverage was negative (7+ / 0-)

                      full of demeaning text which marginalized OWS.

                      And here's the bigger point:

                      we need the damned Media to show the rest of the country that it's happening everywhere all at the same time.
                      That is never going to happen in a positive way. Ever.

                      Local or national, it was couched in the negative, full of marginalization and vague, veiled threats to anyone else who might even dare to consider joining in.

                      It is these same outlets which dictate whether we're looking at an event or a movement. Which is the whole point. We need to work outside of it if we're ever going to get anywhere. We cannot depend on them anymore. Local affiliates are corporate owned, and they're owned by one of the Big Six.

                      It is time to #Occupy Media.

                      by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 11:14:48 AM PDT

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                      •  Check my posts on this in the thread, LC... (3+ / 0-)
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                        The progressive blogosphere has failed to create an alternative media for driving a narrative and creating common information that a decent movement can spring from.

                        We do need to work outside of the corporate media - our views are incompatible with their agenda - the end. And that includes MSNBC.

                        But we have not done that - the leaders in the Progressive blogosphere have not done that.

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                        by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 02:51:10 PM PDT

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                        •  But where do you (6+ / 0-)
                          create an alternative media
                          when one of six corporations owns every scrap of airwaves and news print in this country, which has the kind of coverage we need?

                          This is not a fail by The Left. It is a fail due to the rescinding of media regulations, regulations that would have allowed more than one national narrative to take shape.

                          Had things remained as they had before the "updating" of the Telecommunications Act, we would have more than six companies monopolizing every facet of our communications infrastructure. Right now, THEY decide what the narrative is. If you want to create one, it'll need to be done outside their networks.

                          It is time to #Occupy Media.

                          by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 03:04:57 PM PDT

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                          •  And who deregulated the media? (5+ / 0-)

                            The more I see of the effects of Clinton's time in office the more of a failure I think he was as a Democratic president.

                            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                            by AoT on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 03:47:13 PM PDT

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                          •  No kidding! (0+ / 0-)

                            But it really does little good to dwell on that now. We got what we got now...

                            It is time to #Occupy Media.

                            by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 03:52:19 PM PDT

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                          •  Sorry, I think it does do good to dwell there. (4+ / 0-)

                            We have to dwell on the time from liberalization of trade during the Nixon admin through today to get the narrative delivered to people.

                            Democrats have done a terrible job of pointing out that failed conservative polices are to blame for destroying America and that Conservatives intended to sabotage a healthy government to serve their corporate sponsors.

                            If we don't go there, then we have no good information to make decisions from - all we have is conventional wisdom.

                            Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are hated by Republicans because they stole their corporate sponsors and their schtick. Clinton and Obama stole Reagan's moves and made them 'work'. Really bad form there...

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                            by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 04:05:34 PM PDT

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                          •  Again (2+ / 0-)
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                            who will deliver that narrative for you? The Mainstream Media? Please!

                            We don't have any conventional wisdom to govern the now-obvious fact that our free press is no longer free.  We're in new territory. We have to think differently and use our energies more effectively.

                            Dwelling on the fact that A Democrat did what Mr. Clinton did to our media is a pointless distraction. It is what it is now. We have to find another way to get our message out.

                            It is time to #Occupy Media.

                            by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 04:32:06 PM PDT

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                          •  Look, even Bill Clinton said... (0+ / 0-)

                            When I cut my teeth here it was,"Even Joe LIEberman said..." and the like.

                            Not drawing attention to that allows the continued aping and adoption of failed conservative policies by the opposition party.

                            Notice that the Republicans have a narrative. Overzealous meddlesome government sold people a bill of goods and robbed the wealthy and corporate. They continue to rob corporate and the wealthy and offer tributes to the people for their allegiance.

                            Who will deliver it?

                            I will. You will.  Wikileaks will. Greenwald. Marcy Wheeler. Digby. Kos. slinkerwink. bobswern. Taibbi. Black. Korn. Hedges. Jensen. Chomsky. Nader. Stiglitz. Moore. Penn. etc...

                            Bound to be some names that piss people off, but they're fucking sharp cookies pushing a counter narrative. Put them up against the corporate media and professional pols with a megaphone and they'd make a dent.

                            It totally could have happened... still could...

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                            by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 10:57:12 PM PDT

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                          •  Deregulating the media started under Reagan (1+ / 0-)
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                            Specifically Reagan's first term. He dumped the Fairness Doctrine and gutted anti-trust enforcement.

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                            by gjohnsit on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 06:03:59 AM PDT

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                          •  This place is alternative media. The radio show is (3+ / 0-)
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                            as well.

                            RSS feeds pushing out this awesome content here and some great tech stuff for disseminating information would have been awesome. RSS feeds and an organizational structure could tie all of these independent media entities together.

                            Google's suite of products is super powerful - hangouts on air could hit millions of viewers - docs, calendar, etc all have great equalizing power in terms of reach, cooperation and content.

                            YouTube, Vimeo - homegrown video and audio hosting... tons of opportunity. Look at TV and Movies online. The changes have been insane!

                            But it's a niche market - a passionate niche market - and people step on people's toes. Like boxing in a phone booth...

                            That coupled with seeking 'respectability' has killed the idea of setting up an alternative media system.

                            Why isn't dKos hooked up with Alternet? Why isn't dKos hook up with MoJo? Why don't we have guest posts here from Greenwald or Taibbi?

                            Where is the sharing of information? On FB? Twitter? Those places are corporate memory holes and time sinks...

                            meh...

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                            by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 04:01:33 PM PDT

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                          •  Because it's not alternative anymore? (1+ / 0-)
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                            Why isn't dKos hooked up with Alternet? Why isn't dKos hook up with MoJo? Why don't we have guest posts here from Greenwald or Taibbi?
                            And really, you'll need to excuse me while I laugh my ass off at that last sentence....

                            It is time to #Occupy Media.

                            by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 04:39:55 PM PDT

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                          •  NONE of this is alternative (4+ / 0-)
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                            anymore:

                            YouTube, Vimeo - homegrown video and audio hosting... tons of opportunity. Look at TV and Movies online. The changes have been insane!
                            Read the word "online" again very carefully, and avail yourself of some information as to who now owns access to the Internet from the US.

                            Dude, all they need is CISPA--or something just like it--and it's completely gone, in terms of even being a halfway useful tool. That's what that shit keeps coming back like a zombie. This government knows it.

                            And they know we're figuring that out. We need to work now to find other tools.

                            It is time to #Occupy Media.

                            by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 04:42:51 PM PDT

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                          •  It most certainly is alternative. (0+ / 0-)

                            A real live news broadcast via YouTube is alternative media. A good show could be quite effective - like cable media successful...

                            Movies freely available like Zeitgeist, books like the Authoritarians, guys like WK Black and Chris Hedges right there available... but the megaphone is a bit puny.

                            We need to amplify signal, not just those back channel signals and word on the street intelligence for the politicians benefit, but real live amplification that can reach people.

                            The 'respectable' folk will tut tut the projects and the people to maintain their 'respectability' and will ape the corporate line against it, but they will line up in similar fashion against anything that will actually foster change.

                            Peace~

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                            by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 11:07:48 PM PDT

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                          •  should read: (0+ / 0-)
                            We need to amplify signal, not just those back channel signals and word on the street intelligence for the politicians benefit, but a real live amplification of a progressive narrative that actually reaches people.

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                            by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 11:12:33 PM PDT

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              •  Yup (7+ / 0-)
                But there is no substitute for people turning out in the streets. That's really the only way to get their attention.
                Yet you have stories beamed far and wide by that same modern media just like this one, which may actually serve to scare a large percentage of the population into not doing such a thing.

                Let's face it, other than to those of us activists and hardcore followers of politics, the one percent appears to be Too Big To Overcome, what with their warrantless wiretapping and ownership of government encouraging the prosecuting of whistleblowers and the like.

                Yeah, we could use modern media to organize, and indeed we have--to a certain extent, quite successfully, hence the push to control the Internet to such an odious extent as CISPA (how many zombie lives has this legislation seen, again?). But until that actually happens, you know doggone well those bastards still use their electronic abilities to know what we're doing already.

                Which is another reason I fucking hate Alex Jones--if ever there was a whack job well-poisoner in our daily communications, it's him. That bastard has tried to poison the concept of "organizing and working off the grid". But stripped down to the essence, what he poisons is the will to learn how to go back to doing exactly that right now.

                Because once Washington pushes a CISPA-type bill into law, we will need to know how to do that. We'd better get busy, IMO.

                It is time to #Occupy Media.

                by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 10:12:38 AM PDT

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                •  I actually solved this problem 3 months before (2+ / 0-)
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                  Occupy even existed. The problem of organizing and beating the media and unmasking the ruling class. Now I have to wait for people to snap to it, it seems.

                  Think it through, it would work, no question:
                  http://www.dailykos.com/...

                  And I'm serious.


                  If Republicans said every 3rd person named "Smith" should hang, we'd bargain them to every 7th. Then we'll see apologia written praising this most pragmatic compromise. There's our losing formula.

                  by Jim P on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 02:12:20 PM PDT

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                •  I think Jones is a tool of the Establishment. (3+ / 0-)
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                  I think he's COINTELPRO or some kind of Psyops agent.

                  The guy is so friggin' close to so many things and then he inoculates and does away with the issue with the poison from his well.

                  He is really not unlike the Tea Party in that respect.

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                  by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 02:54:23 PM PDT

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              •  Feets in the streets only works if the media (2+ / 0-)
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                covers it or if the lords fear the peasants storming the walls of the castle. Neither of these requirements for effective protest have been met in the last 11 years or so, and I don't get the sense that the rabble is going over the wall. That leaves coverage in the corporate media... fat chance!

                It most definitely is a 2 pronged approach these days: alternative media for disseminating a truthful, non-corporate filtered narrative which will put feets in the streets - feets that might be mad enough at the right bogeyman to storm the walls of the castle.

                And using media to organize is just scratching the surface. New media for organizing is the status quo, GJ. We need to go beyond that. New media for dissemination of information. New media for entertainment. New media for Mainstreet!

                New media for disseminating a message has been a dismal failure - hell, I don't think anyone with the clout to get it done has even tried.

                Everyone pushes their project and neglects their brethren's because our niche is small and there is not much money in it.

                CoOp-etition, stupid corporate synergy type word, but it's a great way to grow passionate niche markets. Absent cooperation, the market gets sliced and diced and is not compelling to anyone.

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                by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 02:46:48 PM PDT

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            •  What I mean are the prominent bloggers who've (6+ / 0-)
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              blundered. For instance, front-page face-offs on if Newt or Santorum is the more repulsive/ridiculous Republican. The astonishing revelations that Fox News lies. That mainstream spins something. Over and over. Year after year.

              Prominent bloggers not only here, but the entire left.

              What a waste of time and attention. Why not focus on the core of the problem?

              The internet is the beachhead, not the final victory. Public communication is the foully-occupied mainland. But people have been so thoroughly conditioned that the mere fact that something is "new" automatically registers as "improved." And there is no need to go any further.

              We've not leveraged what we have to get what is objectively necessary: influence on narratives shared by all. Hence: blunder.


              If Republicans said every 3rd person named "Smith" should hang, we'd bargain them to every 7th. Then we'll see apologia written praising this most pragmatic compromise. There's our losing formula.

              by Jim P on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 02:18:56 PM PDT

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              •  Oh, yeah... (1+ / 0-)
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                For instance, front-page face-offs on if Newt or Santorum is the more repulsive/ridiculous Republican. The astonishing revelations that Fox News lies. That mainstream spins something. Over and over. Year after year.

                but that's not a blunder. That's either intentional or co-optive. It creates distraction, which serves the one percent.

                I'm not saying "front pagers" are intentionally creating distraction. What I'm saying is that they are creating whatever generates the most response. Restating the obvious, year after year, simply keeps people riled up.

                That saps a lot of energy. Which is helpful to those who wish to keep us busy, if you will.

                But, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter what you call it. You nail it: we must seize some influence on some key narratives. Somehow. And very soon.

                (off to read your link :))

                It is time to #Occupy Media.

                by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 02:55:37 PM PDT

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          •  I'd say (0+ / 0-)

            "top comment" to that!

            "When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two." - Nisargadatta Maharaj.

            by mkor7 on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 11:05:18 AM PDT

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          •  The Blogosphere has chased 'respectability' (3+ / 0-)
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            in order to get expanded reach, wealth or fame.

            Progressive thought and policy and the Gate Crashers that push it, will never be 'respectable' though. It's an anathema to the corporate agenda.

            This place has really pissed me off - silo'd and hidden away, no RSS, no amalgamation and assembly into our own megaphone.

            Nope, instead we got a troop of peeps that fling shit at FDL, HP, Greenwald, Taibbi, etc. Even Bill Moyers was hammered for being anti-Obama.

            The turf war stuff, astro and natural, has been a serious problem, and has been too easy to stoke.

            We should have a massive media alternative, but the leaders in the blogosphere were too busy trying to get on the TV.

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            by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 02:37:06 PM PDT

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            •  They figured it was a good (3+ / 0-)
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              "foot in the door". You want to get peoples' attention. It was a realistic reaction, initially.

              We should have a massive media alternative, but the leaders in the blogosphere were too busy trying to get on the TV.
              Surely they planned on working to fix the system from within a compromised part of that system. And they needed a way in. You would have done the same thing, given a chance.

              We got our chance, and then we got blindsided when The Left Blogosphere" started gaining some real traction overall. At that point we were double-crossed with well-poisoning and 24/7 demonization.

              I don't think anyone ever really realized exactly how compromised our media was--well, now we know. At this point, we need to stop trying to find ways to assign blame. The only thing wrong with the Left is the fact that past Congresses and Presidents sold us out in such a way that we cannot get a message Out There long enough to get any real traction. The six corporate ownerships stop it everywhere they can. And they can. Daily.

              It is time to #Occupy Media.

              by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 03:50:04 PM PDT

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              •  Well, I would not have went in that direction. (3+ / 0-)
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                One of my first rec'd diaries was about how we are the product being sold by the media, not the customer (the customer is big corporate) and that our issues are incompatible with corporate media - 2004 or 5...

                The left blindsided itself by thinking they would be allowed to participate freely in a corporate media debate. It doesn't happen - it can't - the customers won't stand for it!

                Congress didn't sell us out, they used us. People here telegraphing their intent - "I hate that policy but I'll hold my nose and vote for the guy anyway..."

                You don't sell out a sycophant, you use them or throw them away - they are more akin to property than a person or a peer.

                All you have to do is to look at politics, society, and economics as business - raw, power economics - and you'll be incapable of believing things like "progressives just need a foot in the door on the TV".

                Politicians today are not corrupt. They are doing the Business of Government - creating political consumers out of self governing citizens.

                Schools are not being 'reformed' they are involved in a hostile takeover of knowledge.

                Global Warming is not 'unsettled science', the solutions unsettle powerful market players.

                The war on Terror is not about Protecting Americans it's about securing markets and the profits those markets create.

                Over and over our problem is just business as usual.

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                by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 04:18:03 PM PDT

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                •  Honestly, (1+ / 0-)
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                  I think you're muddying up a key point here:

                  It doesn't happen - it can't - the customers won't stand for it!
                  Customers had no say so in what was broadcast or how it was presented. Corporations did. It doesn't work like it did before cable. I daresay it never worked at all that way, and we were just told that it did.
                  Congress didn't sell us out, they used us.
                  They sold us out and NOW they're using us as lab rats to see how far we can be distracted and with what, so we stay off-balance and unorganized. A couple of guaranteed headline thieves are social wedge issues, errant fucked-up weather (caused no doubt by the shit we've done to our planet) and death and destruction by "lone nutcases".

                  The latter is a great example, actually. Where, exactly, was our social media discourse headed the day before Newtown? Anyone want to go back and find some headlines?
                   

                  It is time to #Occupy Media.

                  by lunachickie on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 04:52:45 PM PDT

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                  •  You're assuming that the viewer is the customer (2+ / 0-)
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                    The viewer is the product. Corporations are the customer.

                    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                    by AoT on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 05:10:58 PM PDT

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                  •   I am not muddying the point, I'm clarifying it, (0+ / 0-)

                    and crystalizing it for people who don't get it.

                    The customers of the media are corporations. The media's product is the attention of viewers with money in their pockets, needs to be met, or minds to be made.

                    Check out your local media or community rag's parent company's web site. Or look into the nitty gritty nuts and bolts of the media business if you can track it down. It's astonishing how bluntly they put it:
                    Buy our product: We'll deliver 500,000 eyeballs for 15 hours per week, or 200,000 readers served every sunday. Our viewers/readers have a median income of $xx,000...

                    Nothing Progressive, Anti-Captialist, or Socialist is allowed in the corporate media because anything Left of center is an anathema to the customers of the media, giant corporations. That would be like feasting on a poison host.

                    Sell Out or Used
                    Congress didn't sell us out in recent history. Reagan and Clinton were in charge when that happened. The 21st century has been about using voters - exploiting them, from both sides of the aisle - quite crudely and nakedly with widespread public understanding.

                    Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

                    by k9disc on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 11:42:12 PM PDT

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      Lanny Breuer's economic view took a remarkable upswing now that he no longer has to lay awake nights wondering if doing his job would cause economic calamity. Nope , he got his Partnership back at Covington Burling with a four million dollar a year comp package. Not bad for a few years of making sure his clients got the best defense possible. That best defense being no offense backed up by his partner Holder.

      It should be pointed out that other than the revolving door of justice, most regular folks will never have the income stream to make the Fed's playbook work no matter how high the stock market is driven. No more debt stimulated consumer led economic recovery. Can't take debt on with the largest portion of the wealth effect still flattened and many with no income stream to service borrowing costs even if their homes are above water.

      “ Success has a great tendency to conceal and throw a veil over the evil of men. ” — Demosthenes

      by Dburn on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 07:15:10 PM PDT

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