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  •  I grew up SBC, in a red area on the political maps (13+ / 0-)

    I have been ASTOUNDED in the past week by how many people I knew back then - including people who went to my church, MY CHURCH! - were changing icons, sharing pro-equality things, etc on Facebook.

    And yeah, that's not proof of anything more in the advocacy realm - but when you consider that a lot of the churches in the area were the sort of places where admitting you had a token gay friend meant you were too liberal unless you were trying to use the relationship to get them to 'find Jesus' and stop being gay, even being willing to do little actions like that speaks volumes.

    Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

    by Cassandra Waites on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 09:57:12 AM PDT

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    •  My 82 year old uncle recently passed away. He had (11+ / 0-)

      been a closeted gay man his entire life.  At the end, his long time companion Peter cared for him as he died.  My family, aware all along of his sexual orientation, even though he tried to hide it, was very grateful to Peter for caring for our uncle.  Even my 84 year old father, over the past few years, has commented that it doesn't matter if he was gay.  This is a huge transformation, and when it even includes so-called social conservatives and 80 year-olds, I think we are experiencing a sea change.  I only regret that so many people have had to maintain a secret life, unable to share with their families their true identity.  It must have been so difficult...and painful.  

    •  In the South...folks really aren't (1+ / 0-)
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      unfamiliar with gay folks, it's always been an unspoken part of small town life.  It wasn't until all the big outside evangelical churches started infiltratrating the area I'm from that there was this kind of open disdain for homosexuality.

      Don't get me wrong; it wasn't ever open, but it was the worst kept secret in every small town.  And thus, the "knowing someone who is gay" factor that seems to mitigate opposition is far stronger than most folks not from the rural South might expect.

      Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

      by a gilas girl on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 12:01:57 PM PDT

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      •  This was an area in metro Atlanta. (3+ / 0-)
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        So we'd just about be those "big outside evangelical churches" you refer to.

        It's very easy when there are so many people around to avoid people you don't like. Much easier than in a small town, where there may be no way to avoid going into certain local stores or use particular services. There were  a huge number of people in my graduating class who I never met, much less formed a connection to. It's a lot easier to reject someone as a social pariah in those conditions - you lose nothing but contact with one person, but they can lose a sizable amount of social contact, support, and so on simply from people avoiding them. And that's without including things like employment biases that can become ever more pronounced as the pool of potential employees grows.

        Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

        by Cassandra Waites on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 12:21:00 PM PDT

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        •  This is precisely why (2+ / 0-)
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          I've long felt the expanse of the right wing ideology that's evangelical based is happening most often in the suburbs, not the rural areas that metropolitan progressives like to dismiss as the most backward.

          The place where the crazy gains traction is sometimes surprising.  It's not all old, angry white working class folks with no teeth and no jobs...

          Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

          by a gilas girl on Mon Apr 01, 2013 at 12:28:50 PM PDT

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