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  •  Should embrace Ducks Unlimited and hunters (5+ / 0-)
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    AoT, Don midwest, elwior, cotterperson, JanL

    You think the average duck hunter wants to see a 6700 acre lake turned into toxic sludge?  No clean water, no ducks, that's how it works.  Hunters should be environmentalists' best friends because the two are intimately linked.

    But after reading the comments on the NRA sticker diary, it seems the general consensus is to list those people as psychopaths who are just looking to shoot people.  Well don't be surprised then that they turn a blind eye to our causes.

    But there is a lot of hunting and fishing in Arkansas, and a lot of tourism dollars from that.  It's a big business and we have common interests.  It would make a lot of sense to use destruction to wildlife as an economic reason to oppose Keystone XL, instead of it just being "hippie nonsense that drives up gas prices".  Money talks, but not if we dismiss hunters as crazy gun nuts.  Just sayin, we need all the help we can get.

    •  You won't get solidarity with this: (6+ / 0-)

      "hippie nonsense that drives up gas prices"

      I haven't met one environmentalist who isn't serious and committed to environmental protection and there is nothing nonsensical about it.

      Yes Ducks Unlimited protect some wetlands. How are they managing to protect ducks, by lowering bag limits when species populations are getting low? by eliminating lead shot which is killing swans and other wildlife?

      •  I think the point was not that (5+ / 0-)

        environmentalists actually are hippies, just that when we on the left attack hunters and other gun owners we're undermining a potential ally in the fight.

        They certainly have their problems, but there is potential there.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 02:01:31 PM PDT

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      •  That's how the other side views it (4+ / 0-)
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        Don midwest, elwior, jayden, indie17

        Did I say environmental protection was nonsense?  No.  But unless the otherside sees the economic benefits, that's what they think.

        The average American thinks Keystone XL means lower gas prices and no downside.  If they know it will not save them money and that it will actually probably cost them money, they will stop viewing blocking it as "hippie nonsense".

        You do have to be able to understand how the other side thinks without freaking out about "solidarity".  Those who get the vapors are frankly not helping.  The average Republican thinks environmentalists cost them money.  The opposite is true, but they need to be told that.

        •  Exactly. (3+ / 0-)
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          elwior, Norm in Chicago, indie17

          For years the opponents of light rail in Austin have used the slogan "Light rail; does too little, costs too much" to defeat any meaningful progress toward solving our traffic problems with mass transit.

          It's time to turn that kind of simple but effective language back on those pushing for Keystone:

          "Keystone XL; does too little, costs too much."

          Not this mind and not this heart, I won't rot • Mumford & Sons

          by jayden on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 02:52:11 AM PDT

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