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  •  The screw-up was within the court system (50+ / 0-)

    and not due to private prisons.  While they are definitely present in Colorado, that didn't pertain here.

    "The judge announced a sentence of four years in the Department of Corrections but did not state it was consecutive because it was already required by the terms of the plea agreement," read Barton's and Blair's statement.

    "Because the judge did not expressly state that the sentence was consecutive, the court judicial assistant did not include that term in the mittimus, the sentence order that went to the Department of Corrections."

    From http://www.cnn.com/...

    Other than the screw-up described above, he actually was properly released early under a 2011 law, introduced by Democrats and signed by the Democratic governor to give inmates in solitary confinement time off for good behavior as would be awarded to inmates in the general population.  For more on how Evil Ebel spent his time in prison see the Denver Post writeup - http://www.denverpost.com/....  Some people are just trouble and I don't think he was able to exist in society.

    •  Seems like the original bill (12+ / 0-)

      also had some psychiatric evaluations required, which were stricken from the bill that actually passed.

      Tragically stricken, as this case shows.

      Irony takes a worse beating from Republicans than Wile E. Coyote does from Acme. --Tara the Antisocial Social Worker

      by Youffraita on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 04:11:12 PM PDT

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    •  Thanks for clearing that up with actual sources (6+ / 0-)

      Comments were beginning to sound like the plot of a Steven Segal movie.

      We all stand submissively before the global ATM machine network like trained chickens pecking the correct colored buttons to release our grains of corn. Joe Bageant

      by Zwoof on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:14:47 PM PDT

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    •  Bullshit! (0+ / 0-)
      Some people are just trouble and I don't think he was able to exist in society
      WE create these monsters through inequality.

      "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:39:26 AM PDT

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      •  I didn't say it wasn't a tragedy; I'd like to hear (2+ / 0-)
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        how you think how he could exist in open society, given his record both inside and outside of prison.  Maybe he was dealt a lousy hand, maybe he could have been a productive member of society at some point.  I just don't think he was capable of it at the point when he was released.  My evidence is what he chose to do with his freedom.

        •  Actually addressing the causes of his criminal (0+ / 0-)

          behavior.

          What I don't think most people understand is that the prison use of solitary confinement as used here. Where someone is sensory deprived and then provoked into acting on the inevitable aggression and then punished with more sensory deprivation. Continuing a cycle.

          We do the same thing to our nations poor. We back them into a psychological corner and then expect them to respond rationally under stress. We are asking people to do the impossible and then punishing them for failing.

          Until that is fixed I think NO ONE should be in our prisons.

          "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

          by Horace Boothroyd III on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 08:43:38 AM PDT

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          •  Are you saying he and other violent prisoners (3+ / 0-)
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            should be let out of prison, and then what?  Give them counseling sessions on how to express themselves non-violently?  Give them training so they can be productive workers?  Give them a job so they can afford to live on the outside?

            I have no problems with counseling and training and other rehab work within prison, but in this case, Ebel threatened to kill guards upon his release, and when he was released, he was given a tracking anklet that he was able to easily remove and that didn't immediately result in a follow-up by law enforcement when he removed it.  He told people he would cause violence and death if he was let out of prison, and he followed through with those threats once he was out.  These deaths were foreseeable, preventable and yet they weren't.

            I've agreed with you on many of your posts, but on this one, I strongly disagree.  Prisons do serve a valuable purpose in separating those who would bring society down from society in general.  Determining who should be in and who should not be is an imperfect science carried out by law, politicians and the rest of society.  However, I feel it does need to be done.

    •  Solitary confinement should mean 14 hours (0+ / 0-)

      in sensory deprivation with Bach day in and day out, every day.  A run in the hamster wheel. Eat. Write in journal. Bed.

      After a few years of that society might be fine.

      guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

      by 88kathy on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:19:03 AM PDT

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      •  Ah, but what about the patient? (1+ / 0-)
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        I'll also bet plenty in society would resent paying the bills for his "treatment".

        •  They might like it when he gets out of prison. (1+ / 0-)
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          Of course they can just stick with the current prison rape joke system we have today, that works well (not).

          Yes plenty don't want to pay for prison unless they can hear screaming. They are Spanish Inquisition left overs.

          guns are fun v. hey buddy, watch what you are doing -- which side are you on?

          by 88kathy on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 09:08:55 AM PDT

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    •  Tim McVeighs White Supremacist Bank Robber Gang (1+ / 0-)
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      ...There was a group active in that area financing themselves by robberies.

      Although there is considerable ink spilled to label McVeigh a "lone wolf" there is also plenty of evidence to suggest he was tied in with known criminal white supremacist gangs.

      When journalists tried to determine what had happened to one of these white supremacists they were told that the guy had been released into a witness protection program, skipped town, and after a couple years the government declared him legally dead for no discernible reason.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 12:16:06 PM PDT

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