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  •  Of course if we start lobbing nukes (2+ / 0-)
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    both South Korea and China will feel the heat.  Will they take the stray radiation like good sports or will they use the "accidental" discharge over their borders as a pretext for other ulterior motives?

    Also the North is capable of leveling Seoul with artillery alone.  How far would they gert before Our Friend the Atom Bomb hit?

    This could easily(re)open one hell of a can of worms in the region.

    You may think that. I couldn't possibly comment.-- Francis Urqhart

    by Johnny Q on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 05:44:01 PM PDT

    •  We will not use any nuclear weapons (16+ / 0-)

      in a conflict with North Korea. As you note the fallout will impact both South Korea and China.

      The North Koreans are acting in a very provocative manner. I would hope that they understand that war with the US is a death sentence for their country and its leadership. I also hope that China has made it very clear to the North Koreans that they cannot strike first with nuclear weapons and that China will not come to their defense if they attack first.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 05:48:40 PM PDT

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    •  What "ulterior motives"? (6+ / 0-)

      And do you honestly think Koreans or Chinese want a nuclear war? Do you understand the impact of that in real terms?

      The only country to ever have used nuclear weapons is the USA, in East Asia, and I trust that would not be an option necessary or seriously contemplated in this situation.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 05:49:02 PM PDT

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      •  the North Koreans? Honestly, man--I don't know. (7+ / 0-)

        It's possible that 'Un' is just a petulant 21 year old who wants to blow shit up--and that's what worries me...

        I don't see any rational basis for N.K. actions except to keep its population riled up...

        •  North Korea does not value rationality (7+ / 0-)

          Their ideology is based on the belief that the Korean race is uniquely pure and therefore innocent and innately virtuous.  Impulsive emotional actions and reactions are to be expected from a people that believes that whatever they feel and want is inevitably right.

          To the extent that the North Korean elite behaves rationally in spite of the propaganda, they're betting that their neighbors (and the US) don't really want a war and will respond to provocations with empty scolding and solemn reaffirmations of a heartfelt desire for peace ... and the indispensable aid.

          •  So...they're neocons? nt (2+ / 0-)
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            by OrdinaryIowan on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:59:08 PM PDT

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            •  they're racial supremacists (3+ / 0-)
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              The North Korean worldview is built around the idea of a Korean "child race" of racially unpolluted and therefore innately virtuous people who have no need to temper their infallible instincts or discipline themselves into a Marxist-Leninist mold.  North Korea is not any kind of socialist/communist state and never has been; they're very collectivist, but their idea of collectivism is constructed and justified in terms of racial solidarity.

              At the same time the worldview argues that the Koreans' child-like innocence makes them eternally vulnerable to domination and exploitation by swarthy foreigners, which demands a hyperaggressive "mama bear" attitude on the part of the North Korean government.

              At worst the neocons think like Mussolini, that nurture trumps nature and that anyone can become good Romans ... excuse me, good Americans ... if they are raised and taught and conditioned to be so.  The North Koreans think like Hitler, that nature trumps nuture, that culture is the inevitable byproduct of race, and that cultures are either as moral and elevated or as depraved and decadent as the genetic stock of the people who build them.

      •  it is amazing how many times americans freak out (0+ / 0-)

        about these things, predict nuclear war, and then completely forget how the last one played out mere minutes after it doesn't end in armageddon.

    •  The Wind blows east, so SK and Japan not China. (1+ / 0-)
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