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  •  It's all relative, but... (0+ / 0-)

    ...IMHO the B-2 Stealth flyover really isn't "business as usual."

    •  Sure it is (3+ / 0-)
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      KenBee, cryonaut, wu ming

      It's new, but it's just another flavor of business as usual.  It's wasn't usual when the North shelled the island, or when they sent subs into Japan's waters, or fired machine guns at the coast guard from the fake fishing boat, or launched a rocket on a trajectory over Japan, or when the South set up seismic detectors over the DMZ, etc. etc. etc.  Every time, they need a new threat / counterthreat to keep things fresh, otherwise they could be called out- i.e., "you did that before and nothing came of it."

      Also, if bomber flyovers are a definite prelude to war, then we should have gone to war with the Soviet Union (and now Russia) thousands of times over.  Their bombers overfly Alaska quite often as a show of force.  We send a couple of fighters to intercept them as a show of force in return and politely escort them away.  Some of the pilots have done this so often that they recognize the "regulars", wave from the cockpit and tip their wings when they meet.  

      Again, there's nothing to worry about.  

      •  are there south korean factions who want war? (1+ / 0-)
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        I haven't read about SK politics to have heard of any, but such groups could sure see this as a means to political power, an early history of 'privatize the profits, socialize the losses'.
          The hair trigger aspect of all this is a perfect situation for such 'mischief...or maybe I have seen too many 007 movies, I admit....

        This machine kills Fascists.

        by KenBee on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 08:04:00 PM PDT

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        •  As far as I know, (2+ / 0-)
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          on the surface, yes.  In reality, no.  There are always saber-rattlers on either side.  The South's hawks talk about war for the same reason our neocons do- to keep their base happy and the population on edge for political gain.  

          The South hawks know that a war would kill a lot of people, destroy infrastructure, disrupt trade, and most importantly, remove the sword of Damocles that they keep hanging over people's heads to keep themselves in power.  

        •  Not the mainstream ones. There may very well (1+ / 0-)
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          be some cranks but no one in their right mind wants Seoul to be hit with artillery.

          •  This is an excellent point (0+ / 0-)

            Keep in mind that Seoul is within range of conventional artillery.  When their hawks make noises at the North, they realize that there's a lot more at stake than if an American Neocon snarks off to Iran.  

        •  What I read is that there remains a lot (2+ / 0-)
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          of anger from the 2010 incidents, as in if something like that happens again, there will be retaliation.

          No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

          by Magster on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 09:46:50 PM PDT

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    •  It's not the flyover that was unusual (1+ / 0-)
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      Frank Whitaker

      It's the fact that we heard about it.  After all, if a B-2 flew over your town, how would you know?  They normally don't publicize their activities when it comes to stealth bombers.

      A persons word used to be their contract, now people use contracts to get out of keeping their word.

      by bitpyr8 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 at 07:58:56 PM PDT

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      •  Well, I could look up and see it, (2+ / 0-)
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        Frank Whitaker, Dogs are fuzzy

        if I got lucky.  Seriously, though, of course they let everyone know about it.  It wouldn't be a show of force and a chest-beating moment of machismo if it was secret, now would it?  The reason for the mission was political, not strategic.  Also, I hope everyone realizes that the bombers did not fly over North Korean territory.  They took off from Missouri, flew to SK, dropped practice bombs on a practice range as per plans for the annual wargames, and flew back to Missouri.  No violation of airspace, no direct provocation... just a reminder to the North that we can hit them, and they can't hit us.    

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