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  •  Pretty Sure This Site Is For Electing Democrats (2+ / 0-)
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    ....and this is out of bounds

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 03:43:43 PM PDT

    •  Why? (5+ / 0-)

      What is your reason?

      Hillary Clinton 2016

      by artr2 on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 03:54:03 PM PDT

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    •  Pretty sure it's not out of bounds. (15+ / 0-)

      OP is not advocating revolution, just stating that at this point they see it as inevetable.  

      I'm with them.  Anyone familiar with the history of revolutions knows that they most often happen when the middle class starts getting shit on and wealth shifts to the few at the high end -- just as is happening now.

      Anyone familiar with the philosophy of Government knows that governments govern only with the consent of the governed.  With booming poverty, obvious corruption, and the death of the egality of the Rule of Law, the People are already starting to withdraw their consent and see the government as illegitimate.  Right now it's mostly people at the whackjob ends of the spectrum, but as the system continues to oppress more people, the awareness of the rot is spreading.

      Something like 40% of the US 'economy' right now is white people gambling on Wall Street.  Ephemeral money is created and shifted with nothing of worth actually being created.  This part of the 'economy' has recovered, while the rest has been shifted downwards into shittier, low-paying, wage-slave jobs.  I recently saw news headlines stating that HALF of americans lived at or below the poverty line.  One in five children in the US lives in poverty.  Six members of the Walton family are worth more than the bottom 30% of Americans -- that's what, a hundred million people or so?  But we're the wealthiest nation in the world!  Whoop-fucking-ee!  Every public institution from education to the roads we drive on are crumbling, being slowly gutted by corporate carpetbaggers and their lackeys from BOTH sides of the aisle in the various legislatures.

      We have a health care system that seems like a terrible, cruel joke to most first world nations.  We have a penal system which is comparable only to hellholes like Angola and Saudi Arabia, and seems to exist primarily to support evil corporations and suppress the browner races of people who live here.  (We imprison more people than China and a bunch of other nations combined -- and that's NOT just per capita, but in absolute terms. Are Americans just that much more criminal, or is something Fucked Up?)  Our government -- our president -- is publicly carrying out extrajudicial executions of American citizens.

      We spend more on our military than China, Russia, and the next several largest states -combined-, dropping billions on weapons systems our military doesn't even -want-, to fight wars that we might have had 30 years ago but which are now ridiculous to ponder, while at the same time telling our seniors: No, sorry, can't afford beef?  Get chicken.  Can't afford chicken?  Cat food's cheap.  And our President actively pushing for this.

      For the love of fucking god, the Supreme Court ruled that legal fictions are -people-.  People!  Fictitious entities that are required BY LAW to act as sociopaths, to be driven only by the maxim of "How much profit can we generate this quarter"!

      As the OP said, I'm just waiting for the match that starts the tinderbox a-goin'.

      Now, as to your other point -- are we here to elect 'Democrats' or are we here to elect those who're Democratic?   What's more important, the label or the philosophy?  Or more importantly, the actions of those who carry the label?  Are we here just to get the people with a (D) next to their name in office?  Or are we here to ensure that the people with a (D) next to their name who run (and are elected) actually fucking mean it, and to hold them responsible for their actions and choices, to hold their feet to the fire?

      I think we're periously close to widespread revolt.  Several states are already following the same route they did just before that nasty little civil war we had a couple hundred years ago, telling the federal government to go fuck itself, in various ways, from marijuana legalization/deregulation to the Carolinas being douchebags as usual.  I'd say that the only reason pitchforks and torches -haven't- been broken out yet is because the mass media isn't saying shit about it, except to act as propaganda mouthpieces.  But even in the face of that, the public is becoming more and more aware that they've been dealt a shit hand from a stacked deck of marked cards.

      The more hope that people lose, the more likely revolt is.  The more assets that people lose, the less that they have to actually lose, the more likely revolt is.  And, as has been in the news recently, a very, very large portion of Americans are armed, often heavily.

      What do -you- think is going to happen if we just maintain the Status Quo?  

      •  yes. (6+ / 0-)

        and not at all out of bounds. Except to those who stick their heads in the sand, and claim it is a god-given solar eclipse - ie, a message from god.

        What we call god is merely a living creature with superior technology & understanding. If their fragile egos demand prayer, they lose that superiority.

        by agnostic on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 04:58:47 PM PDT

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      •  They never see it coming, but, just in case... (3+ / 0-)
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        We have a crack team of marketing experts searching for a better term than ‘revolution’ for the unpleasantness that must follow...

        •  F*ck marketing. (1+ / 0-)
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          People should talk about it in the most blatant and impossible-to-misinterpret terms possible.  Maybe then enough people will start grumbling that some actual change will occur.  

          Widespread, armed revolt would be a fucking terrible thing, especially if the government didn't roll over quickly or the military/national guard/LEOs refuse to engage.  I'd probably lose internet connectivity for -months-, and that would be -horrible-.  Oh, and all those people dying from the wounds of war and the wounds war inflicts upon a country.  That'd suck too.  And the global economy shitting itself, particularly if the people -won- and pulled an Iceland or something similar.

      •  For me, the breaking point was this: (6+ / 0-)

        "Don't count the ballots."

        How can any nation claim to be a "democracy" when the highest court in the land declares that the ballots should not be counted in order to determine the winner of an election?

        How can counting the ballots produce "irreparable harm" to the losing party?  Isn't that what elections are?  A winner and a loser?  If it takes 6 months to sort it all out, every ballot counts.  Or none of them do.

        If the votes don't matter, then we don't have a democracy.  

        Yet the nation just rolled over and said, "Meh, what's on Showtime?"

        My entire outlook on the nation changed after that.
        Utter disgust.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 10:45:36 PM PDT

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        •  When it comes down to it... (0+ / 0-)

          ...technically, at a federal level, the ballots don't really matter much.  We have the right to -vote-, but the Electors are the only ones whose votes count at all, and they can and always have been able to vote as they wish -- albeit, now, often, with unpleasant legal consequences afterwards.

          But then, I've never claimed to live in a democracy.  We're a democratic republic, which is something else.  And in any case, we usually only get to choose between Promises To Be Horrible and Probably Won't Do As Much Damage.  At best.

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