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  •  Many Self Defeating DK Tropes On Gun Control Side (4+ / 0-)

    We've had daily accusations that DK members have white supremacist sympathizers, that DK members remind them of the Connecticut school shooter, and that DK members are black helicopter conspiracy nuts.

    It's really hard to tell whether these people have any sincere interest in gun control at all.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 02:58:26 PM PDT

    •  And you can see them all on the Hiddens. (13+ / 0-)

      Oh wait... no you can't.

      Because they aren't there.

      Which is where direct callouts and accusations show up.

      If you're going to accuse someone of something, kindly provide examples.

      I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

      by detroitmechworks on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 03:10:27 PM PDT

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      •  You Can Search My Comments (1+ / 0-)
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        FrankRose

        1) I don't do call outs
        2) I don't feed trolls
        3) There's a Troll Support Group of infrequent posters who support these people's threadjacks.

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 03:42:23 PM PDT

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        •  So you're going to resort to innuendo. (7+ / 0-)

          Instead of actually backing up your accusations.

          Perhaps you should qualify that with "Some People Say" since that seems to be what you're relying on here.

          What you are doing here is accusing a group of people who you refuse to identify, except as being Pro-Gun Control, as directly accusing other members of direct insults.

          That's something you should take up with the Admin instead of playing games about "I don't do that... buuut some people say..."

          I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

          by detroitmechworks on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 03:56:30 PM PDT

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          •  Luring Into "The Cycle Of Acting Out Behavior" nt (0+ / 0-)

            There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

            by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 04:13:38 PM PDT

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          •  Innuendo? Let's review (0+ / 0-)
            We've had daily accusations that DK members have white supremacist sympathizers, that DK members remind them of the Connecticut school shooter, and that DK members are black helicopter conspiracy nuts
            Nope, not seeing it

            There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

            by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 04:16:57 PM PDT

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            •  I have not seen (1+ / 0-)
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              comments of that nature, and I read the gun threads a fair amount. The middle one is especially odd.

              •  For Example (1+ / 0-)
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                That was in the book review about the AZ Minutemen that killed a child in the home invasion so (someone) had to opine how much these neonazi child killers reminded him of DK members, then proceeded to elaborate they were "carrying" guns and "packing heat" (on a daily basis) because they had absorbed "Doomsday Prepper"/NRA paranoia about the end of the world literally at any moment ("SHTF").  If you want to read stuff like that, you generally have to go to racist right wing sites for genocide porn.  Questioned on this point, the commentrr could offer no examples of DK members carrying concealed weapons because they expect the world to end in the next hour.

                The more I read from the conceal carry/open carry crowd, the more I wonder how that feeling continues to infect so much of the gun crowd.
                When I read comments here on Daily Kos from those who regularly carry weapons about being "prepared if the shit hits the fan," I have to wonder what kind scenarios must be playing out in there heads.

                This kind of fear-induced, paranoid belief is stoked by the NRA. In fact, some of the writing I have seen here is a direct echo of the Wayne LaPierre fear formulation about the horrendous and frightening world that takes place after natural disasters, for example.

                The fact that Forde was able to combine this kind of "end times" vision with fear of the "other," is just a further extension of what has been playing out in the gun culture for the last couple of decades when the place of guns on society has transitioned from hunting and varmint elimination to "self-defense."

                The development of the language of fear has been the only way for gun manufacturers to ratchet up sales as hunting has declined in an increasingly urban population.

                Now, we get even a number of folks here who paint this doom scenarios as their very reason for packing heat.

                There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

                by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:52:26 PM PDT

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              •  And Accusations of Aryan Brotherhood Sympathies (0+ / 0-)
                If the Aryans step in to save the gun, will they be the salvation RkBAers have been hoping for?

                There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

                by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:18:14 PM PDT

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              •  Black Helicopter Paranoid CT Loons (0+ / 0-)

                This person trolled at least 4 diaries in 2 days with identical statements, so I was actually pretty mean to him.

                I prefer not to converse with paranoid CT loons, so I will stop now.

                Hope the black helicopters don't get your guns.

                There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

                by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:23:33 PM PDT

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      •  Actually Your Comment Serves A Purpose (1+ / 0-)
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        You could have saved yourself a lot passive-aggressive whinging by just calling me a "liar," but in some alternate universe what you just did is considered a winning argument.

        Why? I don't know, but not everyone gets it.

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 03:56:10 PM PDT

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      •  The Other Thing That Stumps Me (2+ / 0-)
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        Is that supposed to be a response? Or sarcasm?  Is that supposed to be a rebuttal?  I hate to see people wasting their time when I'm here like "What?"

        Did that get 10+ recs because you crushed it or is that just a group solidarity thing? Or is it just you're all in the treehouse smoking menthols and I'm not?

        Throw me a bone here people, clearly this behavior really means something within your group, it's important to you as a group, so what do you get out of it?

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:44:30 PM PDT

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        •  Repeatedly Responding to my comment (0+ / 0-)

          Is not having the intended effect of impressing me.

          I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

          by detroitmechworks on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 08:14:33 PM PDT

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          •  I Open The Floor To The Posse - What's The Deal? (2+ / 0-)
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            This is really important to you guys, so what exactly do you get out of this group behavior, and what is it that other people are supposed to be taking away?  Because other people may be missing the point entirely, and that would be a shame.

            Yeah I don't know what our exchange meant.  Was it good for you?  Was it satisfying? was it everything you hoped for?

            There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

            by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 08:19:45 PM PDT

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            •  Bernard, stop trying to pick a fight. (0+ / 0-)

              You are not going to find one.

              You've already gotten way off into the woods, repeatedly responding to my comments after you seemed to feel the discussion was over, and then calling out other users by name in said responses.  

              I choose not to discuss HR worthiness of any particular comment.  You felt certain ones were worth them, and I choose not to debate you on that fact.  Users here have seen your evidence and have the choice to recommend or HR accordingly.

              Finally, I do belong to several groups on DKOS.  If you are suggesting that the group function should not exist because of your perception of the voting system, feel free to address that one to someone who can change the system.

              I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

              by detroitmechworks on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 08:28:32 PM PDT

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              •  What, Can't Dial Back The Rage For One Minute? (1+ / 0-)
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                We're not raising the bar very high, and I don't see how you can expect to succeed if you can't

                I'm asking a reasonable question here - sure you have a group, what purpose does it serve? I don't even know if you have an official group or if you guys just follow each other around or have Facebook pages (I don't BTW).  

                What do you guys get out of this personally, what do you think your accomplishing, and how do you want to be perceived?

                There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

                by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 08:34:31 PM PDT

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      •  Hi 88Kathy, I HR'd You 3 Time Today ! (0+ / 0-)

        For accusing people here of having Aryan Bortherhood sympathies

        There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

        by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:57:29 PM PDT

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    •  I Guess Michael Moore Never Said This Either (3+ / 0-)

      Which is all good fun if you're siting in a theater eating Junior Mints, but using it as the rational for laws doesn't fly.  

      Pushing this "guns=racism" theme here day after day is a great strategy if you're on the NRA's side.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 05:56:22 PM PDT

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      •  i just watched it (1+ / 0-)
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        what about it are you objecting to exactly?

        what about it is factually wrong?

        Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
        Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

        by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:28:16 PM PDT

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        •  Racism As The Only Reason For Guns nt (0+ / 0-)

          There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

          by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:34:02 PM PDT

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          •  the *only* reason for guns? (1+ / 0-)
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            i missed the part where he said it was the only reason for guns.  but racism is clearly "A" reason for guns.  one of the big reasons.  do you dispute any of the factual assertions in that part of the film?

            Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
            Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

            by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:39:07 PM PDT

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            •  What Did I Miss? (2+ / 0-)
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              ....."Racism = guns" was the only thing I got out of it

              There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

              by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 06:43:58 PM PDT

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              •  racism-driven fear has been a key factor (0+ / 0-)

                in some of the gun crazy actions of our country.

                a key factor, certainly, even if you do not believe it is the only factor.

                and the film did not say it as the only factor.

                what is your alternative explanation, if you disagree with this one?

                who are all these folk scared of?  and why?

                Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
                Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

                by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:54:38 AM PDT

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                •  We Agree There More Reasons (0+ / 0-)

                  My point, and the one I'm sticking with, is that Moore was entertaining, but in a deliberately obnoxious, bratty, and childish manner (not counting the cartoon format).  I could pull up any number of films that are similar, except for being racist or misogynist or fascist, because it's one note propaganda.  It was a straight up propaganda film with the usual tactics of utterly devaluing political opponents.

                  It actually seems like several people here saw that cartoon, and that it was the only thing they took away from the movie. If that's what actually happened, Moore set back gun control efforts.

                  There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

                  by bernardpliers on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 09:00:40 AM PDT

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            •  Shit Nell Says (0+ / 0-)

              A lot of groups have their phrases that really only seem to have meaning in the group.

              Consider the Romney campaign
              "Roman columns! Teleprompter! Jimmy Carter!""

              Most people have no idea what "Roman columns" mean, although I have a conservative friend who is still enraged by the phrase "Roman columns."  (Actually he's enraged by a lot of things, which is relevant, but off topic).

              But, as Romney found out, it's possible to get a great emotional response in the little insulated "in group" but, to the world at large, end up sounding like "Nell."

              There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

              by bernardpliers on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:04:10 PM PDT

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              •  roman columns reference (1+ / 0-)
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                when Obama accepted the Democratic nomination they built an outdoor stage for him and folks objected to the "roman columns"


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                Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
                Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

                by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:52:02 AM PDT

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                •  Columns Like Every Building In DC, Right? (1+ / 0-)
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                  Doric?  Ionic?  Fuck it.

                  The point is that phot was from the2008 nomination and Romney was saying "Roman columns" in 2012.

                  The problems were:
                  1) Not that many got the reference in 2008
                  2) By 2012 it was an unfunny reference Dennis Miller style
                  3) Half the people that remembered had probably already died of old age.
                  4) People that could still work themselves into a stage of rage over that are probably useless fuck-ups.

                  That's when I knew Romney was going to lose because it was clear his operation was a circle jerk of insiders who actually thought they were being clever and this was devastating putdown.

                  They really thought they crushing it, but it just a public demonstration how incredibly far they'd crammed their heads up their ass.

                  There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

                  by bernardpliers on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:46:26 AM PDT

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