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  •  There are more than Switzerland, but the point (1+ / 0-)
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    is simply that there is no necessary civilian use for such weapons in my opinion.

    AK47 & M16 ammunition

    Those who consider the M16 inhumane include; the International Committee of the Red Cross, Austria, Argentina, Belgium, Bolivia, Bulgaria, Burundi, Cambodia, Cyprus, Germany, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Mauritius, Mexico, Romania, Samoa, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland,
    In addition, Sweden filed complaints about the M16/ammunition during and after the Vietnam war.

    M16, AR15 type ammunition, at close range which is what nearly all mass shootings are, is intended to, and does, cause devastating injuries out of proportion to the caliber. The technical term is "yaw," not tumble, but the casual reader will understand tumble.

    Colt advertised that the M16/AR15 is especially effective precisely because of "tumbling:"

    Unsurpassed as a Sniper Rifle both accurate and lethal, at 500 yards the AR15 makes a complete penetration of 10 gauge steel, or both sides of a steel helmet. On impact the tumbling action of the .223 caliber ammunition increases effectiveness.
    (emphasis added)

    When was the last time there was a long range mass shooting?  

    The DC sniper(s) used a similar weapon to that used in Newtown. But rather than a mass shooting at one location, it was a consecutive set of shootings.

    The ammunition killed with one shot at range, due to the intended devastating effects of the ammunition.

    In each shooting, the victims were killed by a single bullet fired from some distance. The pattern was not detected until after the shootings occurred on October 3.[11]
    Bushmaster's guns are clones of the Colt AR-15, the civilian version of the military M-16.

    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

    by YucatanMan on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 10:48:10 PM PDT

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    •  I've Been At A Couple Of Those Murder Scenes (0+ / 0-)

      So I am not unfamiliar with the DC sniper case.  The two people that survived were the ones that were shot from the woods, in the body presumably at a greater distance.  I think everyone that died was shot from their murder car. The guy killed at the Spotsylvania Exxon was shot from across the street.  Shooting at street level in commercial areas, they had to be pretty close to have never winged a passing vehicle. I don't know how many of the people that were killed were shot in the head (some definitely were).

      ALso, the army and many shooters favor the M4 carbine style barrel rather than the full length AR15 barrel, and the ballistics of the bullets suffers greatly.

      That cartridge is like a fancy little camping stove that boils a teacup in record on a nice day.

      Also, notice that this cartridge is not used on game animals over 50 lbs (coyotes).

      Now if you want a real fast bullet in this caliber, check out the 22-250  (same bullet on a necked down 30.06 case) which can drop a deer at 400 yards and is probably a lot closer to fearsome power you attribute to a .223.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 02:43:30 PM PDT

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