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  •  There is also the grassroots Radiation (10+ / 0-)

    Network though as you can see there is no monitoring station in the area and the same is true of many other nuclear sites.

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    by Throw The Bums Out on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 07:14:53 PM PDT

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    •  Just need a smart phone and one of these (2+ / 0-)
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      http://www.mlcinc2012.com/

      This was created by a group of hackers in Japan, after Fukushima. Once they had some working units (built in a mint tin), they started a kickstarter to build small units for retail sale.

      It's small, portable, and connects to the phone via the standard jack.

      •  The only problem is that it can't handle (1+ / 0-)
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        beta/alpha radiation which is the worst kind if ingested.  Do you know if it is sensitive enough to detect the gamma emissions from a smoke detector if you put the detector right next to one?

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        by Throw The Bums Out on Wed Apr 03, 2013 at 10:58:12 PM PDT

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        •  Gamma will alert you (2+ / 0-)
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          to the presence of contamination, but will miss the more dangerous internal hazard stuff. My G-M has a slide window on the probe, so I can get a gamma read and then open the shield to get a beta-gamma read. Do the simple math and I've got a decent beta count. Alpha needs a different type of detector, but if you know it's coming from a meltdown or bomb, it's best to simply assume the alpha is present. Take proper precautions.

          And unlike the gaseous emissions and vaporized fuel, alpha-emitting isotopes will hang closer to the ground because they're relatively heavy particulates. Nasty, nasty stuff.

          Here's some good material for those who think they have reason for concern -

          15 Ways to Limit Radiation Exposure

    •  I've got a Geiger-Muller (5+ / 0-)

      and an RM-14 low level desktop detector, hadn't dug 'em out for 30 years when Fukushima did its quadruple Twisted Sister act in 2011. The clicker no longer works, but the meter's still good, the ion chamber still sealed, and it checked accurate on a Coleman lantern mantle once I'd installed new C batteries.

      I'm far enough away from Fukushima to have considered that if those damned things did do a China Syndrome, they'd probably bubble up in my driveway. (Not really, but it was a semi-humorous thought). Airborne levels here were high enough in the sunshine to justify not hanging out any wash or spending time in the garden - skipped my entire spring rotation that year. Mostly xenon and krypton nobles, a beta issue but not an incorporation hazard. The bad shit came in the rain - iodine dangerous for three months, and as that decayed the cesiums showed up (no longer masked). That will still be here long after I'm dead. Did some work on the drainage pathways, and let the weeds grow to their heart's content to suck it up. Threw it all off the mountainside, and didn't bother to rake any leaves in the fall - no compost that year. The plumes are still circling the globe as we speak, causing entirely predictable meter-dances every few weeks.

      Things will never be exactly 'normal' again, but immediate levels are not too bad if you stay away from the drainage pathways. I'm old enough not to be particularly worried, but I've been more protective of visiting young'uns since then. It's very sad to know what we've lost when we trashed this world - this sweet old world...

      •  Do either of yours support pulse output (2+ / 0-)
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        through a data port or audio out?

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        by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:21:21 AM PDT

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        •  If so, one of these cables and (2+ / 0-)
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          the included software would be sufficient to get you on the air...

          http://www.ebay.com/...

        •  The RM-14 uses an appliance plug. (2+ / 0-)
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          Has a pancake probe, but I just leave it in the holder on top of the unit. Set it for the level you're working with, it'll alarm. But that can be pretty distracting during a big dump, because it goes off constantly. I finally unplugged it (already knew the crap is here), took airborne, ground level and rainwater readings with the G-M four times a day. Mine was well more accurate a record than EPA's, since they took both Charlotte and Raleigh's RadNet detectors off-line for the duration when they pegged out.

          Which, of course, I strongly suspect was more about Duke's local nukes taking the opportunity Fukushima's plume provided to vent their waste gas storage tanks...

          •  I mean can you connect it to your computer (via (1+ / 0-)
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            your sound card if necessary) and get a reading that way?

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            by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 10:24:04 AM PDT

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            •  Never thought of that. (2+ / 0-)
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              These are '70s era technology. The most computerized piece of equipment back in those days was the chest freezer sized germanium-lithium isotopic identification system [GeLi scanner]. For seeing what sort of crap is on your filter or swipe. Nukes have always liked to pretend iodine is the only thing that ever goes out with the burps (or massive explosions readily observed from ten miles away). They're still only reporting cesium-137 in the water going out at Fukushima at this point. As if it's the only crap going out.

              The nukes themselves always know what's going out, where it's coming from, and at what levels. They just don't often tell anybody about it. They found chunks of MOX rods - plutonium - more than a mile away from Fukushima. Blasted there by the unit-3 'deflagration'. Mother Of All Dirty Bombs.

              If I wanted to computerize, I'd get one of the new-fangled scintillator units, or the iPhone attachment. Been too poor for that, though. So my trusty geiger is good enough for my purposes.

    •  Yes, indeed. I'm one of the contributors (2+ / 0-)
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      to that effort. I have my detector online and uploading data to them in real time. It isn't difficult to do- I use the same computer that uploads my weather station data to Weather Underground.

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