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  •  We'll see how the training requirement holds up (3+ / 0-)

    in court. I think it will come down to whether or not you have to pay for the training.

    •  I'd like to see gun taxes pay for some of people's (11+ / 0-)

      INITIAL training program. I think they should be offered pretty much every week.

      Once somebody scews up and has a gun accident, their guns should be impounded pending a hearing and most likely further training (a la DUI classes) and yeah, yer gonna pay for those.

      Laws that make gun owners nervous about leaving their guns around carelessly seem like good ideas to me.

      •  I agree, and I just don't understand why people (16+ / 0-)

        are so lax about gun safety. I grew up around guns (not in a wingnut way, in a country way) and know how to use and store guns. I know how to cast my own minie balls and make a black powder cartridge for a muzzle loader. For some random gay guy, I know a lot about guns.

        So does my father. He has quite a number of guns--some are historical, others are practical, all can be fired. He has a gun safe (except for the muzzle loader, that hangs on the wall) but he's not satisfied with just a gun safe, he has trigger locks on all of them to boot. There is even a trigger lock on the varmint gun up at The Rock.

        Now riddle me this: if the majority of Americans who own guns are "responsible gun owners" as the NRA will tell you, why do we see so many gun accidents? I would argue that while my dad is a responsible gun owner, the precautions he takes are NOT the norm. THAT is why we need comprehensive reform and legislation which, as you say, makes people nervous about irresponsibility.

        What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

        by commonmass on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 05:12:03 AM PDT

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        •  You, sir (10+ / 0-)

          Are the Republicans' worst nightmare: a gay man from New England that knows which is the business end of a rifle.

          •  You had better believe it. (6+ / 0-)

            Maine has VERY lax gun laws unlike say, Massachusetts (and very strict hunting laws which, by the way, severely limit--to FIVE--the number of rounds a gun hunter can carry with restrictions on bow hunting too, which is a very popular sport here) but on the whole, New England is rural and full of hunters and sports shooters. People think of Boston, and the dense communities along the coast, but there is a definite gun culture here and it's pretty dominant especially in Northern New England.

            I know plenty of rural gay gun owners. I am one of them, but I don't keep a gun here in the City. I have no use for it in Portland, but do have a use for it at The Rock.

            What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

            by commonmass on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 05:50:43 AM PDT

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        •  Me too. I grew up with guns, my dad was in the Air (3+ / 0-)

          force and grew up on a farm (with an anti-gun mother) but he became a marksman in the Air Force. (No, I don't understand that at all).

          But we had guns. Guns are tools. YOu don't play with them.

          Even now, I have a couple compressed air rifles - single shot. Cock and load then shoot and it's empty and needs to be reloaded and re-cocked.

          Eeven when I know it is unloaded and uncocked I stay away ffrom the business end because that is basic gun safety.

          (The 25 cal air rifle shoots through steel thicker than a car door at 10 meters. It's not a 'bb gun")

        •  I think it is simply that so many people (6+ / 0-)

          have a truly lackadiasical attitude about them.

          "Guns don't kill people, people do" is a rather deep statement about the how people think guns are somehow inert.

          Well it is true: you can leave a gun on a table forever and if nobody touches it nothng happens.

          However, in the REAL WORLD we can't see 5 minutes down the road. Reality is stranger than fiction and more vicious.

          Shit Happens.

          you cannot leave a gun laying around because PEOPLE cannot be trusted.

          (People can't even manage a 4-way stop sign).

    •  Oh, I think that might be an issue (3+ / 0-)

      just as it has been with voter ID. The difference between say, a drivers license and a gun license is that one is a privilege and the other, at least as the current court sees it, is a right. I'll bet that will be an issue.

      What is truth? -- Pontius Pilate

      by commonmass on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 05:05:21 AM PDT

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      •  I haven't read the House and Senate versions (2+ / 0-)
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        just summaries of them in the media, but I'll have to check the language on whether you need the gun license to buy a gun or to own a gun. As far as I know, the courts have not found that you have a constitutional right to buying firearms, only to having them in your home (and wherever else the state allows you to take them)

    •  I doubt payment will be an issue. (1+ / 0-)
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      You often have to pay for training to be entitled to lots of licenses from the government.  This will be no different.  

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:16:27 PM PDT

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