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  •  CBS and CNN polls (2+ / 0-)
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    Shows a drop of 10% and 9% respectively in support for gun control.

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 05:39:09 AM PDT

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    •  I'm pretty sure they also kept reporting that (14+ / 0-)

      Romney was neck and neck with Obama too. There will always be polls that show something different. That's why people like Nate Silver are so helpful. Wouldn't it be interesting to see if he is following public polling on guns.

      "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

      by stellaluna on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 06:14:54 AM PDT

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      •  He didn't refute nor mention the CNN poll (1+ / 0-)
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        But one his arguments against the CBS poll was "it's just one poll".
        Well.....obviously, there is more than 'just one'

        Both polls have been asking the exact same question the entire time, and they have both dropped 9 & 10 points.

        There is no refuting of that fact.....but apparently there is rampant ignoring of it.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 08:00:21 AM PDT

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        •  Read again. Basically the conclusion is if you (1+ / 0-)
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          use scary, generic words like "gun control" or "confiscation", then people are against it.  But when you talk specific policy, such as background checks, capacity limitations, etc, then people are for them, and for them big.

          •  You read it again. MBs first point was (2+ / 0-)
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            "It's just one poll"

            Neither poll used the word 'confiscation'.
            Both polls did use the word "gun control", which I find appropriate as it is a poll about....ya know....gun control.

            Even if you disagree with using the word 'gun control', it is irrelevant as the polls have been using the exact same wording. The only thing that has changed in the last 3 months has been support for gun control dropping 10 points.

            This isn't surprising, after a traumatic event polls are going to spike, then they drop back to the general trend.
            This is typical, why are people insisting on denying the obvious with such transparent absurdities?

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 10:41:06 AM PDT

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            •  But the polls haven't really dropped when you (1+ / 0-)
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              look at specific proposals.  Background checks are still favored by 90+% of the population.

              The main point of the MB post is that if you use scary sounding words like "gun control" and "confiscation" -- basically gundamentalist dog whistles -- then you get lower results than if you actually poll prospective solutions to the gun safety problem in the US.

              •  The word "gun control" is the subject those (1+ / 0-)
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                specific policies fall under.
                "Gun Control" isn't a "gundamentalist dog whistle", it is an actual phrase with an actual meaning unlike, "gundamentalist"

                Those specific policy questions are an incomplete picture. MB has another diary that shows that Obama is getting trounced by the least popular congress in history on who people trust on this issue (50%-33% with independents, if memory serves). The question that should be being asked on these specific proposals is "Do you trust the Democrats/government with implementing [specific proposal]?"

                In any case, ignoring a 10% drop in a public poll question about gun control, while debating the public's attitude about gun control is being willfully blind.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 12:06:25 PM PDT

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