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  •  OMG, those LA Times are mindnumbingly stupid (5+ / 0-)
    Precisely the reason that we've all froze to death this winter, if you bozo tree huggers can't use real scientific facts you perform a series of "mental masturbastions" and apply your own theories!!

    Since this administration hasn't gotten anything right so far, let them do something positive and approve this pipeline.

    You "greenies" all act and think like penehos!!!

    Posted in full for context, but that first sentence is killing me. The disjointed logic isn't lost on me. So wait, guy, it's cold, because we haven't burned enough toxic, fossilized dinosaur shit enough? Sounds like a subtle Freudian admission that the climate science behind the climate forcing powers of CO2 is indeed correct (which... it is.) Herp derp! Either way, I'm always impressed when people take a one season sample from a small, unrepresentative sample of the entire world as some sort of valid counterpoint to global warming reasoning. Humans overstate short-term memories, and can be too impatient to appreciate topics such as trends, heat distribution (ocean or atmosphere), and the ways the extra energy is being used (sea ice/glacier melt, deep ocean heating, atmospheric/sea surface heating.) In the physics of global warming, there's more than one way to skin a cat, but all these mechanisms contribute and bounce off the other to arrive at our trending climate equilibrium. Unfortunately, these people tend to live in a world where reification and evidence of absence (WMDs, conspiracy theories) all have a place, but the tenable, lived world is detached from their own experience.

    These deniers need a new shtick. I mean, really. Whether the comment was sarcasm or literal is unclear, but all-the-same revealing to me.

    "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~Edward Abbey ////\\\\ "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." ~W.E.B. DuBois

    by rovertheoctopus on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:01:15 AM PDT

    •  the comments can sometimes mess with (4+ / 0-)

      your sanity. And that's CA, just think what they would be in a red state.

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:07:37 PM PDT

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      •  Weirdly, I feel as though some of the "red" states (5+ / 0-)

        are somewhat more in tune with climate change as an actual phenomenon, since many areas of the plains states and southeastern states are rural and depend on the natural cycles for agriculture, tourism, and fishing. When something's out of kilter, they seem to realize it first. A drought in Texas or Missouri is a bit hard to deny when your way of life depends on the expected rainfall and stable temperatures. Then again, a lot of sad souls conclude this as supernatural. But it seems, at least, that some are waking up.

        Even Yale's Climate Change Communication conducted a recent survey which found that 52% of Republican-leaning people "believe" in climate change (as if the science were something to be "believed" in the first place.)

        http://environment.yale.edu/...

        I've heard this before, but it does seem with each passing year that environmentalists really are ahead of the curve of so many debates about our entire human existence.

        "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~Edward Abbey ////\\\\ "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." ~W.E.B. DuBois

        by rovertheoctopus on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 01:17:30 PM PDT

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    •  Rover, let me help you out ... (0+ / 0-)

      A picture paints a thousand words.

      We need to protect our fresh water from that toxic cocktail the tar sands folks call "dilbit".  By, the way, bitumen is commonly known as "asphalt".  It's corrosive and practically impossible to clean up after a spill.  Enbridge gave up and threw sand over it.

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