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  •  Yes, but he gets off if he pays the bride price. (15+ / 0-)

    In other words, if he indemnifies the father for damaging his property. If the girl was betrothed, the rapist has to pay off the betrothed man for the same reason. The girl is now longer a virgin, so she's, in the classic phrase, "damaged goods."  Still more a matter of property rights than anything else.

    Does the Talmud every talk about paying the girl? You know, the person who was actually hurt?

    Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

    by Sirenus on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 07:39:39 PM PDT

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    •  Unfortunaly... (5+ / 0-)

      No.

      Yes a woman/wife/girl is still considered property.  But if she is a widow, she can set her own bride price.  And it is hers to keep and her husband has NO access to it.

      And if she is divorced, she is paid support $$ until she marries again or if her former husband dies (she is considered a widow).

      "Death is the winner in any war." - Nightwish/Imaginareum/Song of myself.

      by doingbusinessas on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 09:49:32 PM PDT

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    •  It was common for the men of one tribe (1+ / 0-)
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      to raid a neighboring tribe, plundering, looting and raping almost as a potlach with the exchange of property not really hurting anyone.

      The ritual rape was institutionalized in seasonal celebrations of fertility and in notions such as the"Saddy Hawkins day" preserved by "L'il Aber", there was occasional some role reversal.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:06:16 PM PDT

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      •  If rape is involved, the abuse of that particular (1+ / 0-)
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        "property" means that someone is indeed getting hurt.

        But it would seem, has no right to complain about it.

        Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

        by Sirenus on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 07:25:38 AM PDT

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        •  Define property (0+ / 0-)

          I define property as what people own and stipulate that you never own something if you can't give it away. I can for example give you advice. That only becomes my advice when I give it to you.

          People are not and never will be property even when forced into slavery, wage slavery, indentured servitude, marriage, concubinage, prostitution, or internship by coercive sanctions.

          True Freedom is always a state of Being without limits.

          For people who think they can own property be advised any possessions you can't carry in two hands at a dead run limit your freedom of action.

          For possessions its often the case that seductive sanctions are more effective than coercive sanctions and sooner or later people who would become owners and accept responsibility for all this human bondage realize that their means of production own them.

          Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

          by rktect on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 12:50:40 PM PDT

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