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  •  Stand by for more casual dismissal... (3+ / 0-)
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    lucid, serendipityisabitch, Pluto

    The primary function of this site is to pick new leaders.

    "We refuse to fight in a war started by men who refused to fight in a war." -freewayblogger

    by Bisbonian on Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 11:34:05 PM PDT

    •  I know (4+ / 0-)

      That's why I don't write much here anymore. I just wanted to write something tonight - and hey, maybe someone will read it and think.

      •  long time, no see, lucid! thanks for diary. (1+ / 0-)
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        How do we change the world so that it's egalitarian? $64,000 question! Although, imho, difficult to imagine an egalitarian society within a fundamentally inegalitarian structure such as capitalism.

        There are moments when the body is as numinous as words, days that are the good flesh continuing. -- Robert Hass

        by srkp23 on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 07:34:56 AM PDT

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      •  Problems: (0+ / 0-)

        All are NOT equal in terms of intelligence, or in terms of ambition, for starters.  Also, how would a body of government be able to perform its duties if leaderless, after total chaos ensues?

        I'm all for the elimination of "kings" and the (negative) effects their egos have upon society, but inasmuch as competitiveness is often present in basic human nature, the elimination of testosterone (or whatever) would be necessary, just for starters.

        The ironic thing is that EVERY person I've ever met who championed for the right to be the boss of their own world was also the same type of person that necessitated the creation of criminal laws in the first place, which society was forced to enact to keep them from running roughshod over the rest of us.  

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

        by Neuroptimalian on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 02:17:36 PM PDT

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          All are NOT equal in terms of intelligence, or in terms of ambition, for starters.
          Absolutely. Any anarchist would agree with you. What we would take issue with is the leap from this kind of inequality to structural, systemic inequality (in particular, wealth & political power).
          competitiveness is often present in basic human nature
          Cooperation is also just as present in human nature, if not moreso. Peter Kropotkin, a towering figure in both the political world and biology, laid out the case long ago. Alfie Kohn wrote a fantastic critique of America's competition culture in his book No Contest (drowning in citations to studies and hard research).

          And it's not to say that an anarchist society would have zero competition — we just don't use it as the primary motivator in economic and political life (competition in the context of recreation, e.g. sports, would still be around no doubt!).

          EVERY person I've ever met who championed for the right to be the boss of their own world was also the same type of person that necessitated the creation of criminal laws in the first place
          I encourage you to meet members of worker cooperatives, who live the dream of both having no boss and being their own boss every single day. Or read the accounts of Spanish anarchists during the revolution and civil war of 1936-39: huge swaths of the country were run along anarchist lines, and things actually worked.

          People with skeptical views of human nature should be much more critical of systems of hierarchy and control than anarchist systems, as it's the former that allows the jerks of society to wield power over all of us, and those few good eggs that might make it to the top are inevitably corrupted by the very power they wish to do good with.

          As Mikhail Bakunin put it: "Do you want to make it impossible for anyone to oppress his fellow man? Then make sure that no one shall possess power."

          Join the fight for student power on campus: ForStudentPower.org

          by Liberaltarian on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 08:33:23 AM PDT

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