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  •  the diarist has shown (0+ / 0-)

    to only offer up these deeply anti-foreigner diaries. In previous diaries he's also offered misleading "facts" to try to make a point.

    In this bogus diary he labels IT jobs as Science, which is nonsense. In a previous diary he mixed up IT with Engineering.
    Neither Science or Engineering have much to do with IT.

    Additionally, in my personal experience, there are too many unqualified IT college graduates, that I can see how some companies would turn to the talent from abroad. Personally, in my hiring, I haven't turned to H1Bs because I managed to find qualified people but it was a close call.

    •  The diarist is a foreign born immigrant. (5+ / 0-)

      The diarist sees what importing guest workers into any profession does to that profession.

      Employment based immigration where the employers are allowed to bypass the local workforce is a death spiral and leads to the situation we have where the DOW goes up and unemployment stays high.

      The diarist has a good job and is nearing retirement and gains nothing by these diaries.  The diarist cares about others who are wondering why they have not gotton the call back for those jobs they applied for where they met every single requirement.

      •  I am a foreign born immigrant myself (0+ / 0-)

        Who doesn't begrudge other foreign born immigrants having a chance at the American dream.

        Many people who come here on an H1B visa, apply for green card, stay in the US and become productive members of our society.

        I am sure there are many cases where H1Bs were hired for the cost effectiveness, but there are many many other cases where they were hired because of shortages in some fields, and/or because they were much more qualified than the "local workforce".

        Perhaps some of those others who have no gotten a call back, for the jobs they applied for, is because they did not actually meet every single requirement or there were others better qualified. It's not all black and white. But you are portraying it as black and white, those damn foreigners are stealing our American jobs.

        •  Would you object to a requirement (4+ / 0-)

          of the H-1B visa requiring the employer to prove, (not state), that there is no U.S. worker willing to do the job before being allowed to import a guest worker?

          Would you be willing to disallow companies being able to use their U.S. workers to train their foreign guest worker?

          The mere fact that a US worker is traing a guest worker proves that the US worker is the one is already trained and the guest worker is the one not yet qualified.

          •  I would object (0+ / 0-)

            Because a US worker needs to be more than just willing, they are also need to be at least just as qualified for the position. All things considered equal I would absolutely try to give preference to US workers, but to codify it into law would potentially require employers to hire those less qualified.

            As for training, it is entirely possible for a superbly qualified candidate to need some more specific job training, so lack of training is not the same as not being qualified.

            •  So then would you accept the law as follows.. (0+ / 0-)

              your words:

              "US worker needs to be more than just willing, they are also need to be at least just as qualified for the position"

              In this exact situation would you support any law that would restrict the employer from chosing the handcuffed employee over the U.S. worker when they are identically and exactly equally qualified?

              How would this exact situation described "potentially require employers to hire those less qualified"?  We have determined that they are identically qualified in every way.

              •  the problem is (0+ / 0-)

                that it is difficult to ascertain if the candidates are exactly qualified. And there is no way for anyone to truly enforce that law. All someone would have to do is say that based on their evaluation the person hired was more qualified.

                Who has determined that the 2 applicants are identically qualified?

                Anyways, my wife (who is an H1B as I've previously stated) works at a State University that by their own guidelines gives preference to Americans in the hiring process. They still hire a ton of H1Bs because there are not enough decently qualified Americans applying. All the H1Bs earn exactly the same as Americans and are treated well. What's the problem with that?

                Now that is a State institution, but I would not make that determination for a private business. I would not want my decisions of who to hire to be second guessed and subject to frivolous lawsuits. So yes, I would oppose any kind of restrictions.

    •  Since When? (4+ / 0-)

      Additionally, in my personal experience, there are too many unqualified IT college graduates

      Is There an "Alarming" Shortage of IT Workers?

      The post above is from 1999. The argument over guest worker visa programs, and the H-B program in particular, has been going on for more than a decade now.

      Given that you and others are so vehement that there is a 'skilled worker shortage' (to conveniently go along with the 'unskilled worker shortage'), and given that the hue and cry has been going on for almost twenty years now, you can no doubt point to one piece of legislation from Washington DC which would incentivize a STEM education. Certainly there is at least one program out there to forgive student loan debt for engineering graduates, 'cause they do it for teachers and firefighters and without an engineer to design that class room or that fire house you just have a bunch of people standing around -- point me to one piece of legislation designed to eliminate this supposed 'skills gap' that been around for so very long now.

      And finally, one more time, read the 'Highlights' of the Fiscal 2011 Characteristics of Specialty Occupation Workers, and go back and look at prior year reports, and tell me this isn't a scam.

      I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

      by superscalar on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 07:59:22 AM PDT

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      •  Go another decade earlier at least (1+ / 0-)
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        happymisanthropy

        Physics Ph.Ds have been surprised at how hard it is to find work since 1990 easily, and although that's coincident with the end of the cold war, I don't think it was new then.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 09:55:39 AM PDT

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      •  Agreed and take it one step further (0+ / 0-)

        The entire education system has been getting more and more rigged to hard skills rather than soft skills. Yet companies have been shifting more and more to a blurring of lines between IT and the rest of the company.

        The result? More and more need for workers with more than just technical skills and fewer and fewer workers who have more than just technical skills. It's not a "skills gap" in a traditional sense, it's a lack of focus on turning out people capable of being complete workers. Far from legislation to address it, we're actively going the opposite direction.

        As an IT professional, I have been keenly aware of how difficult it is to find people who will really be able to do an excellent job in a modern environment. Offering a very good salary at a major company in a major metropolitan area, the pickings are still slim finding someone who can hit the ground running. Companies do not take the time and money to focus on training and creating a well-running team,which would alleviate some of this.  

        But H1B visa holders absolutely do not solve the problem at all - all they do is provide a cheaper source of equally or lesser qualified labor. The real answer is to recognize that having a good workforce is a cooperative endeavor, not something that can be measured by the number of people who can pass a standardized test.

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        by eparrot on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 03:25:36 PM PDT

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    •  STEM workers (4+ / 0-)

      Science, Technology, Engineering; Mathematics.
      It is a FACT that H1B workers are being imported for the sole purpose of using them for cheap labor at the expense of American STEM workers in a country with over 7.5% unemployment!

      +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

      by cybersaur on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 08:16:26 AM PDT

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