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  •  I, however, cannot wrap my head (3+ / 0-)
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    around the idea that Obama does not care and is purposely happy with the joblessness of U.S. workers.

    I do believe he has been kept from the truth, the same way most people cannot believe that you do not have to first look for U.S. workers.

    I believe he still thinks that.

    •  Poor dear helpless little man (3+ / 0-)
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      I do believe he has been kept from the truth
      If Obama is incapable of properly researching the impacts of his decisions before he acts, then he's incompetent, pure and simple.  Remember, this is the guy who is Commander in Chief of the nukes.  He'd better know how to find out what he needs to know.

      This is something he does not want to know.   He's practically sticking his fingers in his ears and humming a little tune to drown out our voices.    There is much more money and power in not knowing how he is hurting American workers.   He was and always will be a Chicago Politician who is about money and political power, and that means that he "often hears from business leaders", and no matter how loud U.S. IT workers shout, he somehow never hears what we have to say.

       

      •  That may be a bit over the top... (1+ / 0-)
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        Yes, Obama is more aligned with major corporate interests than we would like.  But the big goal he is aiming for is to enact comprehensive immigration reform.  H1B visas are being pushed by industry, and it's the one area of immigration law that Obama may feel he needs to support in order to cobble together a coalition broad enough to try to get CIR done.  He needs Democrats, and he needs some Republicans, and he's not going to get the xenophobic teabaggers.  That means concessions to oligarchs, agricultural and high tech republicans.

        Does he stay awake at night dreaming about how to screw IT workers and send jobs abroad?  No.  He's focused on the wider issue, which is that 12 million people, at least, who have built lives here, need to be able to come out of the shadows.  The immigration system is broken and requires fixing.  

        Now, I happen to agree with your one issue here - there are too many H1B visas.  Cut 'em back, require a lot more proof before issuing work visas for industries in which we have talent here.  OK.  But what needs to happen is that people need to pressure on this particular issue, and try to get Obama to realize that he can still get CIR passed while being a little tougher on industry's desire for the cheapest possible wages. What also needs to happen is that the same people who are calling for decreasing H1Bs had better be standing up for a fair deal for all the immigrant families who are here already.  So far, I don't hear much about that.  I am in favor of CIR and if the H1B problem can only be addressed by future legislation, then so be it.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 11:03:46 AM PDT

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        •  He's doing more than just procrastinating (2+ / 0-)
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          "If the H1B problem can only be addressed by future legislation?"  

          He's arguing to expand H1B's, now.   He's not just ignoring it until some later date.  He is actively creating more of a problem.  Right now.

          Bottom line, he is messing with my livelihood, and I have zero patience with his whining about how tough it is for corporations to find workers.  Between government and business, there is a very long list of actions that could be taken to alleviate any perceived "worker shortages" in the United States, before we need to starting importing more workers from abroad to take those jobs, and not only are none of them being pursued, many of them have been eliminated in recent years.   OTJ training.   Internships.  Entry Level Hiring.   College Grants.   Business/University parnerships.    When they have demonstrated that all of these methods have been tried and failed, then we can talk about selling U.S. workers down the river.

          Obama is one of the main cheerleaders for H1's.  If he wasn't up there giving us the "Rah Rah, H1B's" cheer, I might have more sympathy, but he's selling this hard.  If he wants to win Republicans over, those who DON'T work in tech (almost all the tech workers in my building are Republicans), then clearly, I am not his target audience, so he doesn't need my support.   I guess people who voted for him aren't the people he's working for.

          If the only way to get this legislation passed is to further erode my industry, then maybe we need to take a step back.   Because, U.S. tech jobs are important, as important as immigration reform, and I'm not behind selling off the one in order to purchase the other.  And, I believe that if Obama really tried, he could walk and chew gum at the same time, sell legislation that is fair to immigrants while preserving U.S. tech jobs.

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