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  •  What do you have to say about college dropouts? (0+ / 0-)

    Are they higher or lower than C and D graduates?

    You seem to classify people's worth to be employed based on their grade in college.  Where do college dropouts, such as Bill Gates and Steve Jobs stand in this hierarchy of yours?

    •  Depends on why they dropped out. (2+ / 0-)
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      cryonaut, i dont get it

      If they dropped out to make a zillion dollars in the software industry, awesome.

      If they dropped out because of family or financial circumstances, that says nothing about one's abilities either way.

      If they dropped out because they couldn't pass low-level courses in computer programming, I would not hire that person to write the code that manages your bank account or your insulin pump.  I'm sorry if that offends you.

      Taking jokes seriously is the exact mirror activity of laughing if someone says they have cancer. --jbou

      by Caj on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 11:29:12 AM PDT

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      •  I get what you are saying, (0+ / 0-)

        and I actually wish the technicals I have had to take at job interviews dealt with logic questions, which have nothing to do with the latest buzzwords and syntax and formatting, and the meaning of buzzwords.   Instead, I have to study the meanings of acronyms and all the random questions on the internet that the interviewer found.  Sometimes I know what the next question will be because they just downloaded the same list i did the night before.  It is fustrating, but i have to play the game to get in the door.

        Most hiring managers consider all coders to be interchangeable, even  thouth the difference between a good coder and a bad coder can be 10 to 1 in productivity.

        The problem with the importation of the guest worker program is that coders are now seen as a comodity and valued as a price per butt, rather than inate ability of each.

        Some staffing companies send in a "team" where there is only one person really doint the work, and the others are for billing the client.  The others can sit and pick their nose all day, the client gets billed the same for each.

        •  and that's what I do (2+ / 0-)
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          Caj, i dont get it

          being a hiring manager who is also a computer programmer. I give all candidates a test with 2 problems. 1 to read a program and explain what it does, and 2 to write a program to accomplish a particular task. Syntax is unimportant but logical thinking is. You'd be surprised at the amount of people who technically qualify just fine based on their resume, but who fail miserably on this fairly simple test.

          I'd say I catch those talentless C and D students before they screw up the department with their lack of ability.

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