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  •  Why didn't we hear this new "pope" (0+ / 0-)

    clamoring for rectifying the abuse problem in Brazil or anywhere else way before this??

    Because he didn't.

    Trusting this guy on anything is like trusting the old fox by the henhouse not to hurt the chickens.  It's silly.

    •  Cardinals don't have much authority (5+ / 0-)

      beyond the borders of their archdiocese. I'd have to look into what was being done in Argentina, which is where he served.

      Any progress at this point would be welcome -- long overdue, but still welcome.

      There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

      by Cali Scribe on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 09:03:15 AM PDT

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      •  sorry... got Brazil wrong. (0+ / 0-)

        His response to this issue is on the record in Argentina and I believe was reported in a diary here.

        Waiting for the Roman Catholic church to do something moral is like waiting for the second coming of Jesus... ain't gonna happen.

        •  What I've read here and elsewhere is that in (2+ / 0-)
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          Argentina he turned abuse matters over to the police.

          "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

          by MRA NY on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 10:08:11 AM PDT

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          •  From Betty Clermont's A Pope Too Good to (4+ / 0-)

            Be True on Daily Kos...

            "To Bergoglio’s credit, he has no record of covering up abuse and eventually came around to instructing all bishops to report sexual abuse to the police. But he has refused to meet with victims of clerical crimes and refused them compensation.

            The pope protected Fr. Julio Cesar Grassi, a convicted sex offender. “Grassi was not expelled from the priesthood after the guilty verdict. Instead, Church officials led by Bergoglio commissioned a lengthy private report arguing that Grassi was innocent.”

            During most of the 14 years that Bergoglio served as archbishop of Buenos Aires, rights advocates say, he did not take decisive action to protect children or act swiftly when molestation charges surfaced; nor did he extend apologies to the victims of abusive priests after their misconduct came to light."

            •  I have been critical of Pope Francis' previous (3+ / 0-)

              dealings with this issue

              In Tree Climbers: Pope Francis - Vow of Silence Should NOT Be in Regards to Child Sex Abuse I detail two high profile cases where then Cardinal Bergoglio either supported the perpetrator or failed to support the victims and their families...

              The article notes that there is no evidence, then Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis conspired to cover up child sexual abuse.  

              However, his failure to acknowledge victims while defending his pedophile friend and claiming him innocent - speaks volumes.

              However, now that he is Pope, perhaps he WILL do something.  I must remain hopeful.

              "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

              by Roxine on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 11:08:02 AM PDT

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              •  Weary.... (1+ / 0-)
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                ....between the church and the scout and all the other scandals, it's been almost arduous since a lot of folks just don't seem to take this problem seriously.  "Why can't they just move on?"  "Can't they just get over it?"  I developed an all-too frequently employed coping mechanism of trying to protect people; a left-over from feeling helpless to protect my sister when we were young.  I get too angry and frustrated over things for which I have no control, and I'd be willing to be that I'm not the only one, aye?

                It's hard when my spouse has returned to the faith and doesn't understand why I'm so sensitive about the abuse issues of the church.  I feel so tired.  Am I the only one who feels this way?

                Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do. ― C.S. Lewis Much Love, Andrea Lena.

                by Andrea D on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 02:47:56 PM PDT

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                •  No - not the only one Andrea - For you in message (0+ / 0-)

                  Sometimes we have to rely on others to carry the water for us.  When you need to disconnect, come up for air, do so.  Take care of YOU first - and when you're ready to come back fighting, I'll be here.

                  I've taken a few days off myself - just need to breathe somehow.  

                  I am encouraged that the headlines are still filled with CSA stories - because it means that we have to deal with it.  I am more encouraged than ever at this moment in time.

                  Oh, and in case you didn't see it - the Curley/Spanier/Schultz trial is proceeding - the judge refused to throw out Cynthia Baldwin's testimony - so that's good news...

                  http://www.post-gazette.com/...

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                  by Roxine on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 03:05:04 PM PDT

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            •  I have been critical of Pope Francis as well (0+ / 0-)

              In Tree Climbers: Pope Francis - Vow of Silence Should NOT Be in Regards to Child Sex Abuse I  highlight at least two high profile cases where then Cardinal Bergoglio either sided with the alleged abuser or failed to even meet with victim's families.

              I ended with this:

              The article notes that there is no evidence, then Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis conspired to cover up child sexual abuse.  

              However, his failure to acknowledge victims while defending his pedophile friend and claiming him innocent - speaks volumes.

              .

              "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

              by Roxine on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 11:11:21 AM PDT

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              •  But I MUST remain hopeful - to do otherwise is (1+ / 0-)
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                far too troubling.

                With the high profile cases across multiple organizations perhaps NOW is the time that we actually start protecting our kids and stop talking about it.

                Kid's lives MATTER.  They are not expendable.  They will not get over it - they will not outgrow it.

                They are our FUTURE - please let's stop fucking them up - literally. (forgive me being crass - I'm a bit triggered today.)

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                by Roxine on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 11:14:30 AM PDT

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                •  ARGHHH double post - sorry n/t (0+ / 0-)

                  "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

                  by Roxine on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 11:17:20 AM PDT

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                •  This was NOT the pope's statement. (2+ / 0-)
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                  More than three weeks after his election, the pope remains silent on this issue. Today's statement was issued by the Vatican after a meeting between the pontiff and Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, prefect of the congregation ruling on the Catholic doctrine. “The Holy Father recommended that the Congregation continue the line desired by Benedict XVI..." Which is that while pedophile priests may be removed, every bishop throughout the world can still lie, cover-up, protect priests as he chooses, can or cannot implement programs to protect the laity as he chooses and remain free from being reprimanded, held accountable or punished by this pope.

                  •  That is how it is being reported - BBC: (1+ / 0-)
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                    Pope Francis told his staff to take "decisive action" when it comes to cases of clerical sex abuse of minors.

                    In a statement, the Vatican said the pontiff ordered the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to "act decisively as far as cases of sexual abuse are concerned, promoting, above all, measures to protect minors, help for those who have suffered such violence in the past (and) the necessary procedures against those who are guilty."

                    The BBC reports this was the new pope's first public statement on the issue, which has plagued the church for years.

                    Granted, the Vatican released the statement, but he is quoted in it.  And, as I pointed out, this is not enough.  Words do nothing to heal the giant chasm this abuse scandal has created within the church.  

                    Pope Francis MUST ACT.

                    "...I am the master of my fate/I am the captain of my soul" Invictus - William Ernest Henley Please donate to TREE Climbers, our 501(c)(3).

                    by Roxine on Fri Apr 05, 2013 at 12:30:21 PM PDT

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