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  •  the robber had a steak knife (0+ / 0-)
    Are you suggesting itmbabm,

    that the robber needed larger clips?

    knives have neither clips or magazines, so that questions is irrelevant.

    Law Enforcement shooting somebody who runs at them with a knife is not an abuse of power.  Law Enforcement "Blocking the Door" preventing the perp from having a clear path of escape is not an abuse of power.  The poor kid simply shouldn't' have ran :(

    More data from the BATF via NYTimes explaing why a 28% hit rate isn't unexpected.

    •  the police (4+ / 0-)

      should have stopped shooting,

      once the "threat" was halted.


      Heat of the moment "Over-kill" scenarios should meet with the full weight of the law.

      Trigger-happy-cops are no longer "serving and protecting,"
      imo.  And most likely legally speaking too.

      •  Define 'halting' when you think somebody is trying (0+ / 0-)

        to kill you.

        I'll tell you what the military/police/personal defense standard is... when the target no longer presents a threat.

        If you're moving, you're still a threat. They kept shooting (as they can) until they feel the target isn't a threat.

        This "overkill" you speak of.  Police are justified in the use of deadly force if they believe their or a 3rd party's life is in danger.  Officer one felt his life was in danger and opened fire.  Officers two and three saw officer one shoot and, believing his life in danger, also opened fire.

        Its really easy to armchair quarterback somebody else from the relative safety of your keyboard.

        •  Define 'halting': (3+ / 0-)

          when the knife wielding threat,
          is down and in a surrender posture.


          I know all about the "escalation of force" theory. I used to teach it.

          I used to work in a law-enforcement capacity, in a very large urban mall (West Hollywood).  Through much of my 20's

          But, we were armed with only our wits, our clubs, and our radios.

          Since I was a supervisor, I saw more than my share of "hot-head" officers,
          who were in for the adrenaline power rush,
          more so than protecting the public.

          Those guys were usually "bad news" if they couldn't be reeled in with training.
          They almost always -- seen themselves as somehow "being above the law."

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