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  •  Still doesn't answer the strategy question (28+ / 0-)

    A primary electoral strategy has to go for a general election win in order to be successful.  A third party general election strategy has to go for a win instead of "sending a message".  Progressives have failed at organization on both of these.  If they are to be realistic strategies progressives must do better.

    If conservatives have a demographic disadvantage, progressives have a geographic disadvantage.  Progressive strength is in too few Congressional districts or legislative districts nationwide to have significant effect in the short term.  And there are too many places in the US in which conservatives are never opposed rhetorically because of progressive aversion to conflict or fear of intimidation.  The gerrymandering of districts is a problem only to the extent it amplifies the geographical disadvantage that is already there.

    We have to move beyond snark to developing real strategies that are independent of the Democratic Party, but which might on occasion involve the Democratic establishment as part of a coalition.

    That means that not disdaining electoral strategies but being clear of their limitations.  And IMO focusing on electoral strategies closer to the grassroots-local, county, state legislative offices.

    But electoral strategy must be a minor part of overall progressive strategy, which must go to broadenin the geographical base of progressives so that the default statement of folks who are apolitical is not "Conservative, I guess." but "Progressive, I guess."

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 08:43:59 AM PDT

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    •  Best comment. Because it is reality (11+ / 0-)

      based, it likely will be ignored for pretend -revolution.  This problem has existed for  a long time.  Neither the third party route nor the better democrat route has truly been successful.  Nor did occupying parks change America.  So long as the media found it interesting, inequality became an issue, but that faded as usual.  We have ways of  "sending a message, " but not of winning. More fun,  however,  to do outrage on a blog for many.  Yours is the best comment I have read here in a while.

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      by TomP on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:13:49 AM PDT

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    •  I agree with the "best comment" remark... (8+ / 0-)

      And here is the best phrase in the best comment:

      "...to developing real strategies that are independent of the Democratic Party, but which might on occasion involve the Democratic establishment as part of a coalition."

      "We refuse to fight in a war started by men who refused to fight in a war." -freewayblogger

      by Bisbonian on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:41:53 AM PDT

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    •  It took about 30 years for "Conservative, I guess" (7+ / 0-)

      to become the firmament that distracts people from reacting en masse to the government running fully to the 1%'s cause.

      As mentioned in a diary earlier this week, if we live and speak in liberal+progressive terms while disrespecting the now-assumed conservative+libertarian societal values i this country, we start to take back the idea that things are fine so long as more money and power rise to the top, I feel.

      One person, one group of acquaintances, one community at a time.  I haven't let conservative or libertarian assumptions or even jokes get by in real life interactions without simply showing how they don't apply to real life, for years.  None of the people I know in person beyond a glance at our kids' school functions will talk to me in a manner that assumes the status quo makes sense, today.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:46:44 AM PDT

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    •  How about an amendment to the constitution to (3+ / 0-)

      end the outsized influence of the one percent.Public financing of all elections is the only solution I see to form a government responsive to the average voter.I see this as a logical step up for Occupy. We could make it a populist 50 state campaign.

      Since when have we Americans been expected to bow submissively to authority and speak with awe and reverence to those who represent us? William O. Douglas

      by GayHillbilly on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 04:12:07 PM PDT

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      •  Are you suggesting (1+ / 0-)
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        ...an action of state legislatures to go around Congress in order to get a Constitutional amendment through Convention?  Exactly how do you deal with a Congress that is invested in not changing the system of corruption?

        50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

        by TarheelDem on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 07:19:16 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe congresspersons would (0+ / 0-)

          appreciate not spending an inordinate amount of time begging for money.

          Since when have we Americans been expected to bow submissively to authority and speak with awe and reverence to those who represent us? William O. Douglas

          by GayHillbilly on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:21:50 PM PDT

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