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  •  When you have to aim at moving targets (0+ / 0-)

    in a stressful environment, sure it is.

    BTW this argument will come back on you if you ever argue that it's necessary to have a 30-round magazine.

    I see what you did there.

    by GoGoGoEverton on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 06:59:49 AM PDT

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    •  The point is that is someone is hell bent on mass (0+ / 0-)

      murder they are certainly not going to be deterred in the least because of some law on the book that says they will get a fine or another charge for having 11 rounds.  It's stupid to even thing so.  

      If they are about to blow people away and themselves in the process, they will no more be hindered by round limits as they would be to commit murder in the first place.

      This issue of banning certain guns, is just as stupid. For one, it does nothing to remove the millions on the streets now.  Number two, any gun has the potential to be used in mass murder.  Number three, most guns can be modified easily.  Number four, if a murderer goes into a place in which the rest of the good people are unarmed and have little or no security, whoever has the weapon and the murderous intent is going to win in almost all cases....no matter the law of how many rounds you can have nor which weapons you can use....it does nothing at all to stop the evil coming through the door.

      Columbine proved this....we had a current AWB in place and they still got their weapons of destruction and still committed the biggest school shooting in history to that date....and in just a few minutes they combined shot 175 rounds but in that school shooting they used 9mm firearms and shotguns....and simply modified two of them to be more effective.  Also, the place was crawling with police officers after just a few minutes and they were in a high school not elementary with coaches, male teachers, larger boys and still were able to reload and reload.

      If someone is hell bent...they are hell bent.

      •  The point is that you have to be (0+ / 0-)

        an expert in a controlled environment to get as many rounds off as an amateur with a semiauto and a large magazine can. It's a matter of degree. You're right, occassionally a mass murder will still happen...but if 4 go down instead of 20, that's an improvement.

        I see what you did there.

        by GoGoGoEverton on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 10:13:05 AM PDT

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        •  But how to you make the 4 happen...what law would (0+ / 0-)

          ensure that to any degree... much less to a high degree of any certainty.

           Columbine was an 18 year and a 17 year shooters, and neither one had ever even been hunters previously or shot anything to any degree.  They were not trained in anything other that been psychotic.  

      •  No, the point is (0+ / 0-)

        that virtually none of these guys have made any attempt to get a hold of anything illegal. Sure, they wouldn't care that buying a 30-round magazine is going to get them in legal trouble, but they all used whatever was easily available.

        If you don't believe that, ask yourself why not one of these nuts has gone to whatever trouble would be required to get their hands on a fully automatic weapon. Are you sure that there isn't just one of them crazy enough to want to spray a crowed with full-auto fire?

        But they never do. Why? Because you have to jump through a lot of hoops or break a lot of laws to get a fully automatic weapon. They get a semiautomatic rifle or pistol because that's what's readily available on the market (or in their mom's gun cabinet).

        And they get a 30-round magazine because you can just buy one at the local gun shop or order one online.

        It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so. — Will Rogers

        by dconrad on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 08:53:47 PM PDT

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        •  The Columbine killers used guns that were all (0+ / 0-)

          illegal for them to buy or own or to possess.

           They acquired them illegally, modified them and went through all of the "hoops" to get them because they because evil hearted and hell bent on murder.  Those who are hell bent on committing mass murder are crazy enough not to care about your bans.  For them, it took a couple of phone calls, a friend and a little bit of money.   They got them, went to the prom, and then a few days later shot up a school.  

          That's it.  That was the "hoops" they had to go through.  Not one single thing currently being discussed today would have stopped them in any way, or made it the least bit harder on them.

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