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  •  I didn't post this to "change minds"... (4+ / 0-)
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    carver, RockyMtnLib, ImpactAv, kdrivel

    I posted it as an argument against using a certain yardstick for problem solving and addressing human issues.  For two thousand years now we have had much of our "thinking" in the western world contained within a parameter of what was written in a set of texts that have been presented as representing real events and real people.  They do not.  So we repeatedly get our creative thinking caught in this net of trying to reconcile the real world with some ancient worldview that has no more validity or evidence for it than a child's fairy tale.

    Of course we all work with and have relationships with people who consider themselves religious. That has nothing to do with the act of responding to the ideas that were presented here.  Religious opinions are no different than political ones.  If someone posts a political opinion that has no evidence behind it, people have no problem confronting that argument with skepticism and critcism.   The "what would nice good Jesus do" question is meaningless if one blocks out or doesn't consider the harsh mean Jesus, or pretends that part of the character doesn't exist.  It is better in my view to skip "Jesus" all together.  If that suggestion is "offensive" or "disrespectful" to the religionist, then so be it.  It is they who are insulting the intelligence of others by not being honest about what is in those texts.

    •  What exactly is the source of superior (2+ / 0-)
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      Hammerhand, Paul1a

      moral judgement that is "HUMAN", but not "all too human"?

      It's not based on this particular myth or that because there's apparent contradictions and the bible isn't one dimensional?

      If you're looking for a one dimensional moral source or human standard, I think that will lead one far off the path of morality or truth about humanity.

      The only one dimensional story is one that was never read.

      The story of Odysseus has influenced Western Civilization too. There's all kinds of truths about the human condition to be discovered in it. You don't have to believe in hydras and cyclops to see it.

      Also, denying the "validity" of fairy tales is not in the least a creative endeavor. If there's anything I find offensive about atheist polemics against religion, it's a conspicuous lack of imagination.

    •  There's been a fair amount (0+ / 0-)

      of decent biblical scholarship that rather convincingly separates the "teachings" as originally recorded and understood by the "Jesus congregations" from the later additions (which changed essentially everything).  You find what's left from the Synoptic Gospels after you strip out the obvious fictions . . . the "miracles", the "son of god", the "virgin birth", "died for your sins", "raised from the dead",  and the crowning lie that if you just "believed" the nonsense you'd be "saved" and get "life eternal" . . . somewhere down at the end of the table just past the right hand of god itself.  Amen.

      Oh, and if you didn't believe it you'd go to hell for sure (after the "faithful" got done with you).  Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.  Watch the witches burn.

      There's a couple thousand years of decidedly ugly history to study if you want to know just how well that all worked out . . . (or you could just look around at "Christians" today).

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 07:01:56 PM PDT

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