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  •  Clinton-Biden 2016? (4+ / 0-)

    As I read the 22nd Amendment, it does not prevent Biden from serving a third term as VP. That would provide continuity and help with the working-class-Catholic voters. I'm sure it isn't Biden's first choice, but he might well take it, and IMO it would serve the country well.

    And avoiding a knock-down drag-out nasty set of Democratic primaries (while watching the Republicans shoot it out) sounds like a great plan to me. Sometimes predictable coronations work pretty well.

    I can imagine Biden-Clinton; if she were younger, that would be the obvious ticket, and then she'd run in 2020. But she's not younger, and she's been running for President for so long that saying "wait in line" doesn't make sense.

    The only argument for having a new VP would be to groom an up-and-coming pol for 2020.

    •  Biden's really pushing it to run for either office (5+ / 0-)

      in 2016, for one simple reason: age.

      He's already 72, and by the time Election Day 2016 rolls around, he'll be a fortnight from turning 76.

      That's old - older than Reagan, older than any other first-term President at election. And while his health may hold up between now and then (and I hope it does - he's a great guy!), I know from personal experience how frail even "good" health is in old age, from seeing my grandparents age and grow ever less vigorous. All it takes at that age is one illness or accident to permanently reduce capacity, once again as I have seen firsthand.

      For that matter, if Hillary wants to run in 2016, it's her last shot: after that, she'll just be too old for me (a convinced Clinton supporter since before 2008) to be confident in her physical capacity to do the job properly from square one.

      And all of that leaves aside the perceptions game, as Bob Dole found out in 1996.

      "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

      by Australian2 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 05:42:57 AM PDT

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      •  I thought one of Biden's selling points to be VP (3+ / 0-)
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        was he wouldn't have his eye on the top job.

        *Are we humans or are we dancers?* Annie Lennox (thx Words In Action & OPOL)

        by glorificus on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 05:59:24 AM PDT

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        •  Biden's selling point was (2+ / 0-)
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          He would be a good relief pitcher.

          He could come in, take over, and finish the game if the starter couldn't.

          That doesn't mean he wouldn't want to be the starter someday, but if his career was as a reliever, he's not going to be the starter, and I think he knows it.

          And at some point, he's going to need to retire.

      •  I'm trying to remember -- (0+ / 0-)

        How old is Chelsea? If she's over 35 in 2016, there's a potential VP.

        And wouldn't it make the Republicans froth at the mouth?

        •  Complete lack of political experience. (0+ / 0-)

          As much as I'm a fan of the Clintons, and wouldn't at all mind seeing Chelsea Clinton in some political office or another, President or VP is NOT an office you try to jump into without any prior experience in public office at all.

          It doesn't work out well, as a rule. I don't think she'd know how to campaign fulltime (her only experience campaigning has been on Hillary's behalf as a part-time surrogate in 2008), and I'm not sure she'd be ready to govern - and the VP has to be ready, in case something happens to the President.

          Not to mention the personal narrative of a woman who lives in a $10 million house in Madison Square (NYC) which was probably bought (or at least subsidised) by her parents - not terribly great in a conversation which SHOULD be at least  partly about income disparities and opportunities.

          Generally a rather bad idea. Now, if there's a House seat available, or even a shot at the Lt.-Governor's spot in New York, that might be a better start.

          "Violence never requires translation, but it often causes deafness." - Bareesh the Hutt.

          by Australian2 on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 01:17:51 PM PDT

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    •  Pls no. (4+ / 0-)
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      We're already having four more years...

      What's the point of letting neoliberals into the tent when neoliberalism is burning down the campground?

      by Words In Action on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 06:02:46 AM PDT

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