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  •  It's not simplistic to say armed guards (1+ / 0-)
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    deter violence - its common sense. Like it or not, people with bad intentions are naturally wary of armed guards.

    You bring up an interesting point though about the school to prison pipeline.

    When I was in school, we would periodically have an assembly or an event where the police or maybe the fire dept would send over a few representatives to talk to us. We loved it. We loved them. And when kids broke laws... the cops came back to do their work. And you know what, it was educational. we learned that the world has consequences and there are limits to what the teachers will put up with themselves. And that made sense to everyone I knew.  

    If a kid ends up in prison after contact with the police while that kid was in school, trust me, it wasn't the cop's fault. You can try to argue that dealing with the police when you are a kid encourages you to be a criminal, but, personal experience tells me that it scares the poop out of normal kids, and that this kid walked the line after his little brush with the law.

    I'm afraid that my signature won't match the mood of my comment.

    by heybuddy on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 08:35:08 AM PDT

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    •  going to disagree some (1+ / 0-)
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      police who are not specifically trained to work in school situations with adolescents are far to quick to resort to arrest, which then changes the dynamic of working with the kid.

      "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

      by teacherken on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 08:43:37 AM PDT

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      •  Can you find one case where (2+ / 0-)
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        a student was arrested from school and the teachers were unhappy about it? On the other hand, I just heard of a teacher making a big stink out of a pop tart nibbled into a gun shape by a some ridiculously young boy. The problem is not that they arrest too many good kids, they arrest far too few of the bad kids. Instead of a link I will just refer to every big city newspaper in the country. Drugs, weapons, gang activity and worse are pervasive in urban schools. They need more contact with police, not less, both to deter the other kids, and to protect them.

        Training some teachers to act as security also makes sense. They can protect coworkers and children alike, and one would assume they have that special ability to deal with young criminals that you believe regular police officers are incapable of.

        I'm afraid that my signature won't match the mood of my comment.

        by heybuddy on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 09:08:51 AM PDT

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        •  Here's one: (1+ / 0-)
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          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 11:18:50 AM PDT

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          •  Seriously? (0+ / 0-)

            Try being a gay kid in an urban high school. I have been assaulted in front of teachers who then claimed that I "was in a fight" as if I had wanted to fight several guys at once and lose badly, while getting called homophobic slurs and having my stuff taken. The teachers themselves were afraid of some of these guys. If it weren't for the school officers keeping certain areas reasonably safe, I would have left school in tenth grade. And while many people seem to hate cops here, The school cops I knew were brave and kind and they cared about me. They would smile at me and I knew they were watching out for me in particular. One of them followed a group of kids off campus and broke up a fight, and he got hurt in the process. He didn't have to risk his body to break up two guys who wanted to fight off school grounds, but he did. And he did it to stop them from hurting each other. Some people are just hate filled and violent. Trust me, if they target you, you want a cop, not a teacher near by.

            I say let each school determine it's own security needs.

            I'm afraid that my signature won't match the mood of my comment.

            by heybuddy on Sun Apr 07, 2013 at 02:34:55 PM PDT

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