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  •  That's an interesting comment (3+ / 0-)
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    How did you pick up so much knowledge that you know "all about clean up of oil and related hydrocarbon spills on a practical and professional level. Including training to ensure environmental and health compliance"?

    •  Turning a wrench (6+ / 0-)

      To receive bulk oil and solvents you must be trained in how to clean them up if spilled.

      Since the standards are EPA based it is not difficult to ensure conformity throughout several industries.

      "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

      by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 09:29:28 AM PDT

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      •  Horace... (0+ / 0-)

        I don't know if you are being sarcastic or if you actually believe that being trained on how to mop up a spill at a valve is somehow equivalent or even relevant to remediating a large environmental contamination problem, but it's not.

        Knowing how to address a spill at a valve is not in any way the same as knowing "all about the clean up of oil and related hydrocarbon spills on a practical and professional level."

        That's simply not even in the arena of factual.

        It's comparable to saying someone knows all about surgery for deep lacerations and related injuries on a practical and professional level simply because you've been trained to apply bandages.  

        •  Shill. (0+ / 0-)

          "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

          by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:44:05 AM PDT

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          •  Mmm hmm (0+ / 0-)

            There.  Did that make you feel better?

            Look: you don't appear to know what you're talking about.  

            That's when an open-minded person starts to listen and ask questions.

            On the other hand, it's when another type of person starts to spew insults.

            •  it does not matter if it is one drop (1+ / 0-)
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              or a billion gallons

              The law does not change.

              Your attempts to say otherwise are transparent.

              "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

              by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 07:15:26 AM PDT

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              •  Actually, it does (0+ / 0-)

                Again, you're exhibiting ignorance.  

                Environmental regulations very clearly distinguish between incidental, minor releases (i.e., "one drop" or even a dozen) and "a billion gallons."

                I'll offer a little more advice:

                This is when a smart person lets go of the shovel and stops digging.

                On the other hand, it's when another type of person deepens the hole in which they're standing.

              •  To help you along a little (0+ / 0-)

                And I apologize for not including this in my original reply, may I introduce you to the concept of reportable quantity under Superfund, technically known as CERCLA (Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act):

                Section 103(a) of CERCLA "as amended" and EPA's implementing regulations (40 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) 302.8) require that the person in charge of a vessel or facility immediately notify the National Response Center (NRC) whenever a reportable quantity (RQ) or more of a CERCLA hazardous substance is released in any 24 hour period, unless the release is federally permitted. The purpose of this requirement is to notify officials of potentially dangerous releases so that they can evaluate the need for a response action.
                and
                Reportable Quantity Adjustments

                RQs under CERCLA are adjusted to one of five levels: 1, 10, 100, 1,000, or 5,000 pounds. EPA bases adjustments to the RQs on the intrinsic characteristics of each hazardous substance, such as the aquatic toxicity, acute and chronic toxicity, ignitability, reactivity, and potential carcinogenicity. An RQ value is established for each of these characteristics of a hazardous substance, with the most stringent RQ value (i.e., the lowest quantity) becoming the final RQ or reporting trigger for that hazardous substance.

                Statutory Reportable Quantities (RQs) are often those set provisionally by Congress (usually at one pound), pending detailed scientific analysis by EPA and adjustment through notice and comment rulemaking. They often do not reflect the relative hazard posed to public health and the environment. By adjusting the RQs, the Agency is able to focus its resources on those releases that are more likely to pose potential threats to public health or welfare or the environment, while relieving the regulated community and government emergency response personnel from the burden of making and responding to reports of releases that are less likely to pose such threats.

                EPA decided to adjust the statutory RQs of CERCLA hazardous substances that are also CWA hazardous substances to make notification requirements for these substances consistent and less confusing for the regulated community. By making the CWA and CERCLA RQs the same, the Agency sought to avoid confusion regarding reporting requirement

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