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  •  who said it was only anti-catholic liberals? (3+ / 0-)
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    the people yelling in this thread are basically arguing about everything except this situation: bc is not preventing anyone from having sex. theyre not preventing anyone from using condoms. theyre not abridging the first amendment. theyre not blocking the use of birth control pills. theyre not telling people what to do in their own bedrooms. they are attempting to enforce a code of conduct based on the values that they espouse. and about those values: because you're catholic and think the rule is dumb doesnt mean two thousand years of doctrinal theology is suddenly erased. how many catholics are ok with abortion? isnt it, like, 70%? regardless, it doesnt matter: the body of the catholic laity doesnt dictate church doctrine. the catholic church is a monarchy, not a democracy.

    i grew up in newton. im a far left wing atheist-leaning agnostic raised in a jewish household. i also went to bc as a student, and didnt like it at all because. . . its a conservative catholic school, which is basically the polar opposite of everything i believe in. but i was also keenly aware of the fact that i was on the campus of a catholic school. the president of the university is a jesuit priest. there are crucifixes in the classrooms. there are chapels on campus and housing for other jesuits. theology is part of the core curriculum, and all of this is their right.

    •  Well, that's why (1+ / 0-)
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      I didn't go to BC. After 13 years of Catholic schools, I wasn't having it, even though everyone I knew at BC stressed how it wasn't overbearingly Catholic. Most people I've known who've gone to BC did so despite its Catholic affiliation, not because of it. They went because they had a family tradition, etc.

      A lot of the defense of BC has been about their right to enforce "Catholic values." So we should be clear about whose "values" we're talking. Those are not the values of the overwhelming majority of Catholic people I've known, just the little cabal in Rome and down on Washington Street. You can say the Catholic Church is a monarchy, not a democracy, but after growing up in that church I feel personally entitled to some ownership.

      Can BC have this policy? Sure. Are they exempt from me, born and raised Catholic and ten years an altar boy, from saying it's stupid and only going to alienate people? Not a chance.

      Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

      by fenway49 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 06:18:45 PM PDT

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      •  no ones arguing (2+ / 0-)
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        that you cant say their stance is stupid. heck, i coudlnt disagree with the stance of the university any more vehemently. what i am saying, however, is that you cant really, legitimately go to a conservative catholic school and then be shocked when you realize . . . youre a student at a conservative catholic school.

        •  What I'm saying (0+ / 0-)

          is that it's NOT such a conservative Catholic school. My cousin, who's a freshman at another school, spends about half his nights in his girlfriend's bed in her BC dorm. Nobody blinks. It's a beer-lover's party school. People at BC have been having sex, using condoms, hooking up, etc. for decades. The administration has for decades looked the other way.

          I think most people who grew up Catholic in this area are all more likely to think this is ridiculous. You might think Catholic = sexually conservative, well duh. I, from the inside, think of the complete lack of overlap between the hierarchy's positions and the positions -- and actions -- of Catholic college students, and the BC I've always known had some awareness of that and tread cautiously.

          Sure, if they keep pushing things this way, people will begin to vote with their feet. But I still think it's stupid in the here and now.

          Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

          by fenway49 on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 06:38:37 PM PDT

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