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  •  There's nothing wrong with tweaking (1+ / 0-)
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    If it's a good tweak, but from what I know about Chained CPI it doesn't seem like a good one. Although think it's logically unsound to jump from saying Obama wants to tweak SS to saying that a cut is necessarily what he wants right now in this discussion as opposed to using it as a gambit. Appearing oppositional to negotiation is poison in politics right now as far as popularity. Jesus Loves You.

    by DAISHI on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 11:35:51 PM PDT

    •  Why does he have to appear to be anything? (13+ / 0-)

      Let the Republicans own all the pain and mess that's being caused.

      Why does he have to volunteer cuts to social security when he could just sit back?  The House of Representatives is charged by the US Constitution with setting the budget, not the President.  Let them solve their mess.

      The "gambit" thing has been debunked, thoroughly in the SS blogroll diaries.  Why does Obama advocate for a cut?  That buys him nothing.  Why doesn't he advocate for better funding?  

      His actions speak volumes.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Mon Apr 08, 2013 at 11:42:36 PM PDT

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      •  Obama v congress' Repubs (5+ / 0-)

        is a central part of the blank screen game you've described.
        Even though it's not his role (did bush ever go toe to toe with Pelosi? No.) Obama must be the face of the (D) team in any negotiations, because the visceral hatred of him keeps the right from hearing the actual offers and positions, ensuring their  compliance with the repubs' escalation. It also avoids any inconvenient straying into policy areas the oligarchs dislike (SS income cap discussion, public option, etc etc).
        I've been nonplussed by this game since 2010 at least, because it hinges on having the Blank Screen be the face of the D team, thus essentially ceding the entire game at the start.

        Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

        by kamarvt on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 06:01:09 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, Obama taking the face of the Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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          from Congressional leaders is profoundly undemocratic.

          It is destructive to our nation and to open process.  But it is essential for setting up these games and crises so that we'll be faced with the false choice of bad or worse.

          We are supposed to feel good about the "bad" because it wasn't "worse."  

          That set-up couldn't be done this way with Congress acting in the open.  It can only be prepared by operating behind closed doors, coming out of the White House with a "deal" and demanding an immediate vote.

          That's not democracy. At all.

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 01:58:28 PM PDT

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    •  People on the losing end of an argument (7+ / 0-)

      should move on.

      Anybody who does not understand by this point that Obama wants to destroy the New Deal just as much as libertarian Tea Partiers do should drop out of trying to follow politics altogether, and stick to reality television.

      American exceptionalism is America's road to perdition.

      by Alexandre on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 12:21:32 AM PDT

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