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  •  I liked overall thr first half or so (2+ / 0-)
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    pierre9045, FG

    of your argument, but I think you got lost in "holding Obama accountable."  Pressuring Dems in Congress would be more effective.  As for your thoughts about 2016, to my knowledge, none of those listed are running.  

    Better to be here now.  And that requires pressure on Dems in Congress to kill chained cpi.

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    by TomP on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 07:55:44 AM PDT

    •  You are right of course (1+ / 0-)
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      TomP

      The call to lobby Congressional Democrats is so ubiquitous here at Daily kos that I often forget to mention it. Obviously, that should play an integral part.

      However, I think it also downplays the role Obama has in framing the larger discussions on fiscal policy. The intent of this diary was to highlight that aspect, and to make the argument that Obama and the White House have the most power to shift the debate from one of Democrat defensiveness to Republican defensiveness, or vice versa in the case of cutting Social Security and Medicare.

      I would agree that the 2016 thoughts may not be the best solution for pressuring the White House on this, but I also don't think relying on Congressional Dems to kill chained cpi serves that purpose, and after those two I am admittedly out of good ideas.

    •  I ended up taking out that paragraph (1+ / 0-)
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      TomP

      Removed paragraph:

      If Obama doesn't do this and still attempts to make a Grand Bargain that literally includes these cuts and symbolically cuts the Democratic Party out at knees, I think it is time to stop talking about replacing him with a candidate who follows in his footsteps, such as Hillary Clinton, popular as she may be, and replace him with a candidate more in line with the likes of Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, and the House Progressive Caucus.
      As you mentioned, it does not seem like the most appropriate response, and I think the larger message of the diary is better without it.

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