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  •  Democrats only own the cuts if they (5+ / 0-)

    do not oppose them.  Elizabeth Warren does not own them.  Bernie Sanders does not.  Oppose the cuts and you look independent and don't own them.

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    by TomP on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 06:04:32 AM PDT

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    •  GOP certainly will (2+ / 0-)
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      try to use this. It's already beginning. The NRCC chair released a statement saying Obama was trying to reduce the budget on the backs of seniors. The only silver lining was that the Tea Party dolts are so obsessed with purity they don't even know a winning issue and immediately criticized him for defending Social Security.

      Another silver lining: Dems, as you say, can oppose the cuts. That makes this different from the 2010 Medi-scare situation, where Republicans could shamelessly demagogue on anyone who'd voted for the ACA. My concerns are that (1) Dems in the House (a la New Year's deal) and Senate will be pressured to vote yes for a budget containing these cuts. Then they own them. (2) That, even if they don't, low info seniors will blame Obama and, by association and extension, his party.  

      Republicans...think the American standard of living is a fine thing--so long as it doesn't spread to all the people. And they admire the Government of the United States so much that they would like to buy it. Harry S. Truman

      by fenway49 on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 06:20:22 AM PDT

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    •  A lot of Dems though will be loath to run against (1+ / 0-)
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      the expressed policy of the ostensible leader of the Democratic Party.

      Is this really an effective campaign slogan?

      Help us fight the guy you just helped us elect!

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 06:48:09 AM PDT

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      •  Yes. They can easily use this to show they (2+ / 0-)
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        are an independent voice.  It is only is one assumes that Democrats must agree with the president on everything that there is a problem.

        Most voters will be fine with a candidate that says I support President Obama's policies when I think they are right for my constituents and oppose when I think they are not.

        As for "figting" Obama, I am not fighting Obama.  I'm opposing a policy in a budget proposal.  

        Voters easily understand that.

        So your slogan is incorrect and yes, Dems easily can put distance between themsleves and the budget proposal of Obama.
         

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        by TomP on Thu Apr 11, 2013 at 07:30:53 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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      This may actually be a gift to Dems in 2014. Dems are free to support this or be against it whether or not it flies in their district.

      The GOP, on the other hand, have it tough. If they are against it, they need to explain how they are for the Ryan Plan but against this. That's not a winner for them.

      If they are for it, that has some trouble with seniors. However, then they are agreeing with the President! And here comes a primary from their right flank......

      If we can't use this in 2014, we need to get out of show-business.

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