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  •  No matter how many arguments I get on this (8+ / 0-)

    I always come back to the fact the corporations simply did and are not locating where their employee (or customers, how strange) base lives. This is the first part of this issue.

    And as another long term (since 1990) Mission resident, I now fear I may lose my rental home to greed.

    Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

    by kimoconnor on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 10:56:41 AM PDT

    •  which comes back to that age old question (7+ / 0-)

      whether there are other values and factors besides money that should determine who gets to live in a city and who doesn't. I think in theory most people would agree that for a city to thrive it's vitally important to have residents of all economic and social backgrounds living in it, but in practice very few people are actually willing to stand up and fight for the kind of agreements that make it possible.

      Ecology is the new Economy

      by citisven on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 11:23:41 AM PDT

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    •  There is possibly a secondary issue of dual-career (4+ / 0-)

      couples. It is not always easy to get jobs in the same city at a convenient commute for both.

      The other issue is that many of these workers won't stay with one company forever. They may have moved into SF proper for a job located there and then gotten recruited away.

      Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

      by elfling on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 12:09:35 PM PDT

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      •  that has been an issue since both parents (1+ / 0-)
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        had to work, and is an issue anywhere you live I suppose.

        And I agree that people don 't stay in one place etc. But if the workforce for these tech companies is primarily young, single and well paid staff who likes living here, why did they locate in places that are impossible to commute from the city?

        Is it all about taxes, higher profits? Is it that the execs want to live there vs. the city? I'd like to understand why they located there in the first place to better understand this issue better.

        Where ignorance is our master, there is no possibility of real peace. - Dalai Lama

        by kimoconnor on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 12:28:08 PM PDT

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        •  B/c when they located there they were much smaller (1+ / 0-)
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          and it was a non-issue. And then everyone had to locate close to everyone else.

        •  I think part of the issue was that getting space (4+ / 0-)

          in SF proper has always been challenging and expensive. You can't really make yourself a big complex in the city.

          Stanford et al has really been the center of innovation, and the venture capitalists down on Page Mill road. People located to be near the VCs to get started, located near where they went to school or already lived. That is how Silicon Valley got started and became such a center. SF is just kind of conveniently nearby, not really the source of any of it.

          Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

          by elfling on Fri Apr 12, 2013 at 02:08:09 PM PDT

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        •  Techies commuting from SF to SV is relatively new (0+ / 0-)

          Don't forget SV has made itself over from silicon chips to software, and it's the software people who are more likely to want to live in a "real" city rather than a suburb.  But look at the kinds of companies that want to locate in SF and you'll see they're more social media, video, graphics.  The software and device companies are staying in Silicon Valley because that's where you have to be to play.

          And not everyone working for these firms is a twentysomething City resident.  And not all the twentysomethings live in SF, either.

    •  The tech companies came first, (1+ / 0-)
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      and in the beginning, most employees lived on the Peninsula.  But when young college grads started working tech, they wanted to live in the City, not Shallow Alto or Mt. View.  What 22 year old wouldn't prefer life in SF as opposed to life down south?  I guess some software engineers who sleep and shower at work and work in their pj's and keep an  efficiency in Sunnyvale might not want to actually live in SF, but I know some of them actually live in SF when they decide to leave work for the weekend...

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