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  •  The highest unemployment and poverty (0+ / 0-)

    levels are in Red States. Whatever the gerrymandering, people will abandon their previous identifications if the choice is a do-nothing Republican and a Democrat looking to get them past living on food stamps, I'd think.

    I seriously doubt that, today, there's enough districts in the US composed exclusively of the well-off to keep giving Repubs majorities in every one. But they need a reason to abandon their previous loyalty.

    Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest. route to More Democrats

    by Jim P on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 04:32:47 PM PDT

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    •  Sadly they won't though (1+ / 0-)
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      and I'll give you an example that is truly deplorable.

      Consider, for example, the Black Belt of the Deep South; that region stretching from roughly the Mississippi Delta up through northeastern South Carolina/Southeastern NC. It's one of the poorest regions in the country among both blacks (predictably) and whites, yet the whites there vote about 90-10 Republican in Louisiana through Alabama and 75-25 Republican through Georgia to North Carolina. This is despite the fact that they'd almost all gain from Democrats' economic policies. This is despite the fact that the choice is do-nothing Republicans and a Democrat looking to get them past living on food stamps. Republicans just play to their racism and that gets them so mad they vote against their own interests. Now obviously this isn't every white voter in that region, but the point still stands. This is a very poor region yet the whites are hyper-Republican.

      So it isn't just a matter of people overcoming gerrymandering because then it wouldn't be an issue! Obviously this is a problem that needs another solution than non-partisan redistricting but that's part of my point. We can't begin to help these people when they won't help themselves if we can't help ourselves.

      Think about this in broader terms. There aren't enough voters who are in the 1% to help the 1% repeatedly, yet the 1% makes out like bandits solely because there are a huge proportion of voters who vote Republican consistently and don't care. So clearly they don't need a reason not to abandon their loyalty.

      Thankfully those folks aren't close to a majority, but they get a majority of districts because they draw the lines and pack us into fewer districts. That is why we need electoral and redistricting reform.

      •  Well, still not convinced. Not that it's (0+ / 0-)

        an either/or situation, both angles, getting the non-voter to vote; redistricting need doing. But you don't get a chance for the second, if you don't get the first. Or at least I don't see how.

        Again, there's districts which go overwhelmingly for Republicans, but then how many just squeak by? And higher turnout... I think that's a wildcard we can play.

        Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest. route to More Democrats

        by Jim P on Mon Apr 22, 2013 at 05:37:37 PM PDT

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