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  •  Peter King (1+ / 0-)
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    couldn't wait to throw out Islamists on Morning Joe this a.m. What if it's just a crime and not a big terrorist attack?

    I'm a Bobby Kennedy Democrat

    by docstymie on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 05:17:13 AM PDT

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    •  it has all the flavor of terrorism (2+ / 0-)
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      but on April 15th.

      I think it's rightwingers. Either another of their many lone wolves or some nutjob association of nutjobs.

      Another Eric Rudolph.

    •  A crime this big and this impersonal is pretty (2+ / 0-)

      much by definition terrorism. The question is whether it is domestic terrorism like the Norway attack or foreign terrorism.



      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 05:25:29 AM PDT

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      •  Not necessarily (3+ / 0-)
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        The definition of terrorism has become rather blurry in our post 9/11 world, but terrorism by definition needs to have some sort of political or social motive. Which is why the option of a pathological bomber is still on the table.

        •  Here's a definition from the Online Dictionary (0+ / 0-)

          ter·ror  (trr)
          n.
          1. Intense, overpowering fear. See Synonyms at fear.
          2. One that instills intense fear: a rabid dog that became the terror of the neighborhood.
          3. The ability to instill intense fear: the terror of jackboots pounding down the street.
          4. Violence committed or threatened by a group to intimidate or coerce a population, as for military or political purposes.
          5. Informal An annoying or intolerable pest: that little terror of a child.
          [Middle English terrour, from Old French terreur, from Latin terror, from terrre, to frighten.]

          I think it well describes what happened yesterday.

          •  Unless (0+ / 0-)
            4. Violence committed or threatened by a group to intimidate or coerce a population, as for military or political purposes.
            The motive was not to intimidate or coerce. We dont know what the motive was. When a pyromaniac starts setting houses on fire because he thinks its fun, that doesn't make him a terrorist. When ELF starts burning down buildings or torching cars to make a political statement, it would be terrorism. A big, scary crime isn't necessarily terrorism, there needs to be a motive.
    •  Could be pathological (0+ / 0-)

      It wouldn't be the first time a pathological bomber has killed people just because he likes the rush of it or the power he feels from it. But pathological bombers typically don't target major events, they'll do things like send mail bombs or blow up cars. The fact that this(these) guy(s) wanted to make sure they bombed a major event with global media coverage to me suggests a motive other than just wanting to blow shit up.

      •  Even if a seriously ill person is the (0+ / 0-)

        perpetrator, he/she is still a terrorist in that terror is instilled.  I don't think motive has to play a role in this for it to be the act of one who instills terror.

        •  All crime instills fear (0+ / 0-)

          Terrorism isn't just a crime that scares people.

          The US Code defines terrorism as

          the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives (28 C.F.R. Section 0.85).
          You need a motive for it to be terrorism.
          •  Threading the needle (0+ / 0-)

            From TPM

            In remarks Monday evening, President Obama did not label the bombings as terrorism. But a White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the incident was an “act of terror,” the same term that the president used in the aftermath of the attack on the U.S. diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, in September.

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