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  •  you can't get rid of poverty with tests (13+ / 0-)

    The real problem in American education is there is unequal access to pretty much all aspects of education from supplies, to playground equipment to extra help. That is because of how education is funded (local taxes). Giving more tests is not going to help. Kid in struggling areas need more money for support and they will never get it unless there is some sort of federal law(which is very unlikely). No amount of testing will make a kid whose parents work the night shift and live in coackroach-infested buildings and who comes to school hungry perform as well as a kid from the suburbs.

    But sure arbitrarily punish that kid's hard-working teachers..
    That'll make them want to work in his/her school.

    "If I am not for myself, who am I? If I am only for myself, what am I? If not now, when?" Hillel

    by aurora in canada on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 06:47:24 AM PDT

    •  The supply of money is the purview of (2+ / 0-)
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      sethtriggs, Lujane

      Congress.
      Willard spoke truth when he said he wanted to go to Washington because that's where the money is. Willard's problem was that he didn't recognize his own limitations. A snake-charmer who was going to make Congress dance to his tune, he is not.
      Congress rations dollars to promote just one agenda -- the members' continued occupancy of their seats. 160 freshment in two elections in the House have not been enough to convince them they're going about it wrong -- that more punitive measures will convince those citizens, whom they haven't removed from the rolls, to keep them in place.

      We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 08:05:58 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly. (2+ / 0-)
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      sethtriggs, Lujane

      The entire "reform" movement is based on the authoritarian will-to-punish.

      Kids and teachers didn't do what we want? Ignore why that happened, just punish them.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 08:12:21 AM PDT

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    •  The tenements of New York's (2+ / 0-)
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      MGross, Lujane

      Lower East Side used to be stuffed with poor Jews.

      Many of their descendants are probably now affluent doctors, lawyers and businesspeople.

      From what I've seen, those tenements are now filled with ethnic Chinese. Chinatown has massively expanded. I suspect the Chinese children living in those awful looking buildings will make their teachers proud.

      •  Not what you think. (1+ / 0-)
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        FloridaSNMOM

        If the poor people were already educated (like the Jews were) it's a lot easier to move up.

        There was also more upward mobility than their is today.

        What we've got now are millions of poor kids, most from single-parent families, most with few or now educated role models. No matter what, getting these kids to score high on tests will be a tough job.

        When the kids are from bad socioeconomic situations, the expectations for teachers should be lowered.

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