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  •  727M tons of coal shipped by rail in 2012 (4+ / 0-)
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    http://si.wsj.net/...

    And each ton emits 2.9 tons of CO2.

    http://papundits.wordpress.com/...

    So, 2108M tons of CO2 emitted b/c of US rail each year.

    In comparison, the Keystone Pipeline...

    http://priceofoil.org/...

    – The 181 million metric tons of (CO2e) from Keystone XL is equivalent...

    So, compared to rail, Keystone's CO2 contribution would be "just" 6% of the CO2 emissions from coal transported by rail.

    Should we also call for a ban on coal being transported by rail?

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

    by PatriciaVa on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 08:39:39 AM PDT

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    •  In an issue oriented campaign - no (2+ / 0-)
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      Focusing public attention on multitudes of rail cars is no where near as glamorous, and would dilute the effort.

      .................expect us......................... FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 08:54:29 AM PDT

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    •  There are many fronts that are being fought (5+ / 0-)

      simultaneously to slow down, stop, and ultimately reverse our fossil foolishness and its dire consequences for our environment.  Right now the fight to stop KXL from going forward as far as the public input is concerned has a time limit.  The expiration date for public comment is April 22nd.  Everyone needs to weigh in.  

      I live in a home that looks down on the train tracks that will ship the coal to deep water port locations along the west coast for shipment to Asian markets.  I've been and will continue to fight agains this fossil foolish crazy plan too.  A while back it also had a public comment period where the fight for energy sanity was focused because of the time limit for public input.  

      Now the focus is on KXL.  Submit your comments now and encourage all you know to do the same.  

      If we really want to straighten out all this crap we really need to think about shit - Holy Shit.

      by John Crapper on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 09:03:44 AM PDT

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    •  that's precisely why (11+ / 0-)

      we're working hard to stop proposed coal ports on the Pacific, and why activists a year ago on 350.org's Connect the Dots days blocked the tracks in British Columbia. By all means help here too.

      •  I live in Portland PO (3+ / 0-)
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        and the first thing Democratic Gov. John Kitzhaber, did after he was elected is declare OR is open for business. They are shipping coal down the Columbia to send to China. There is a big brouhaha going on about the plans to ship coal by rail to the ports some owned by Goldman Sachs.

        This is insane as where the tar sands or coal are processed and burned it makes no difference to mother nature. Democrat's lawmakers and executives may not be in denial but they sure as hell feel that it's worth destroying the planet for their freaking inevitable free market screw to both people and the planet.    

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