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  •  Anthony Swift more or less seems like (0+ / 0-)

    an idiot - can't he at least compile a coherent argument?

    For example he makes an anti-rail argument by linking this pdf that closes with this summary slide:

    Gibson’s existing rail business for moving crude / other products is sizable and positioned to grow significantly. Potential growth areas:
    - Additional truck to rail transloaders
    - Hardisty area unit train facility
    - U.S. Gulf Coast unit train receipts

    Rail should be a sustainable option for moving crude oil for the short, medium and long term:
    - Advantages of rail will make it an ongoing transportation option
    - Ability to move heavy oil should reduce amount of forecasted
    condensate import required for oil sands
    - Some locations where pipelines may never be built (e.g. Alberta to
    California)

    •  Factual Disagreement is Appropriately Articulated (1+ / 0-)
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      julesrules39

      without also simultaneously offering a gratuitous insult when engaging others on the steward-to-steward communications protocol.

      •  Did you actually click on the link (0+ / 0-)

        and read his material?

        It truly is idiotic - that is a fact, not a gratuituous insult.

        Brings to mind the time Greenpeace proposed banning chlorine  - one of the most abundant natural elements - from planet earth.

        Or maybe he's not being idiotic, just flat out lying.  Maybe I should have called him that instead?

        Bottom line - don't you find it just a tad embarrassing, if not downright irksome, when environmentalists put out totally sketchy information that discredit the entire movement?

        •  Yes I do (0+ / 0-)
          "Bottom line - don't you find it just a tad embarrassing, if not downright irksome, when environmentalists put out totally sketchy information that discredit the entire movement?"
          Yes, it is embarrassing.....in a movement founded by a scientist, John Muir, for this kind of approach to campaigning and declarations to be happening.

          But, the only way to influence these groups is a steward to steward consult, which should leave out the insults....

          If you're trying to teach stewardship conduct, you have to do it by practicing stewardship conduct (and declarations).

          •  I still don't know where the perceived insult (0+ / 0-)

            comes in - I didn't say he was an idiot (he very well may not be in real) - just that he seemed like one based on the material he presented on the internet.

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