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  •  Republicans have been trying to do this since (2+ / 0-)
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    Goldwater.

    This isn't some kind of quick hit, super nimble and athletic move. This is in their wheelhouse. It's their historical chosen policy. It's their turf.

    LIEberman wanted to in the late 90s, and I think Gore would have traded the lockbox for some kind of chipping away at Social Security and Medicare, but can't be sure.

    They've just not been able to get a Democrat to pull the trigger.

    If you wanted to go all Alinsky on them you would accuse them of Sabotaging Obama and the Economy. And force them to own up to the fact that they wanted to sabotage America so they could please their wealthy donors and corporate sponsors.

    That's our turf. Standing up for the little guy. Making progress. Bettering our citizenry.

    Nope...
    "Democratic President Obama cut Social Security."

     

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    by k9disc on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 12:28:31 PM PDT

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    •  How Did Dems "Pull The Trigger?" Has Something (0+ / 0-)

      Been implemented?

      What are you talking about?

      Obama proposed this budget. Not Dems. Nothing's been implemented.

      "The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength."[2]
      Indeed, they have. And you think somehow they will be able to pin the blame on Democrats for them seizing upon the cuts in OBAMA's proposal?

      Really?

      After adovicating for decades to privatize and destroy SS?

      You think they are that nimble to walk that line and keep their coalitions together to pull that off?

      Really?

      How did a Dem Pres. cut SS? Has something been cut that I missed?

      You've already decided how this is going to play out.  You apparently believe there is no other possibilities as to how this can play out.

      That's pretty narrow minded and short sighted, don't you think?

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      by Beetwasher on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 12:32:16 PM PDT

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      •  How do you fail (0+ / 0-)

        to understand that the President has been seen as the leader of his party since at least Jackson? As leader of the Democratic Party, is it absurd to think that he speaks for them? Voters dont sit down and do a cost-benefit analysis when they make a voting decision, they use heuristics. Shortcuts. One of the most common is looking at the positions of notable leaders and taking that as the position of the party. This has been documented in peer-reviewed academic political psychology journals for 40 years now...

        •  How Do You Fail To Understand That (0+ / 0-)

          We are dealing with unprecedented situations that may require non-conventional solutions?

          Perhaps Obama was serious when he maintained he was going to change the way business is done in Washington.

          Let me ask you this:

          You Seem To Think Your Focus On Minutiae Prevails.
          It doesn't.
          18 months from now, in local congressional districts across the country, if Dem rep A is running on protecting SS, and GOP loony rep B is running on whatever the fuck he's somehow cobbling together...Who YOU gonna vote for?

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          by Beetwasher on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 07:02:22 PM PDT

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          •  Your entire premise (0+ / 0-)

            is that Obama can propose this and look like a moderate and then democrats can oppose it and look like defenders of ss. This premise is based off the idea that the average voter pays enough attention to tell the difference between the views of the leader of the DP and the views of congressmen in the DP. Sorry but they don't. You haven't done anything in your reply to even address that criticism. You may understand 11th dimensional chess but you screw up big time when you start to think the average voter does.

            "if Dem rep A is running on protecting SS, and GOP loony rep B is running on whatever the fuck he's somehow cobbling together...Who YOU gonna vote for?"

            First of all, Rep A might be running on protecting SS but the GOP candidate will be running on the same thing, just like they did when Paul Ryan proposed to gut Medicare, they ran on protecting and preserving Medicare. So I imagine folks in that district will vote for their party and independents will be so confused by all the lies that who knows who theyll vote for. They certainly wont perceive any reason to vote for the Dems.

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