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  •  I'm Still Waiting For Internal Consistency From U (0+ / 0-)

    I suppose I shall continue to wait.

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    by Beetwasher on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 07:44:22 PM PDT

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      •  Not Really, We're Disagreeing On Tactics (0+ / 0-)

        At this point.

        You've conceded the main point that it's all about local politics.

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        by Beetwasher on Tue Apr 16, 2013 at 07:54:06 PM PDT

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        •  What are you talking about? (1+ / 0-)
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          We've been disagreeing about tactics the whole time, from the beginning, not at this point. And you still haven't even attempted to respond to my critique of your view of tactics. As far as local politics goes, that's cute, but I conceded no such thing. Far from it. Today, all politics is national. We see it in the HUGE decline in split-ticket voting and the debates in congressional races being dominated by national issues. I appreciate that you conceded that Obama has placed democratic candidates in house races at great risk by his actions. Now that we know and agree what (one of) the risks is, can you explain to me what the tactical benefit is? You said that Obama's image doesn't matter. It seems like it would be a lot easier and smarter for democratic congressional candidates to be in tune with their President proclaiming the same message. So the fact that you've said Obama's image doesn't matter kind of takes electoral positioning out of the list of potential benefits of this action. Do you mean to say the advantage is not electoral positioning but positioning for negotiations with the GOP? I would be amazed by that, because you always start out a negotiation asking for way more than what you want and what you know you're going to get, hoping that when the negotiation is finished you will have been negotiated down to what you really wanted all along or a happy middle ground with a slight advantage to your side. If your claim is that this is Obama positioning for the negotiations, that implies that he thinks he's never going to get ONLY chained CPI, and save the rest of the program, but that he expects to have to submit to many more cuts than just chained CPI. That's what people are on about.  If you ever get around to responding to my critique of your tactics, let me know. In the mean time, I'll continue to observe the never-ending positioning and wait for the point when positioning to win an election stops and promoting the policies you ran on begins. Maybe it happens when you die and go the afterlife or something, I don't know. I do know that we've been "positioning" since Bill Clinton and instead of expanding our social safety net we are fighting a defensive battle to try and prevent it from being dismantled.

          •  Glad To See You Agree Its Tactics! (0+ / 0-)

            Now you have to work on actually understanding the idea that perhaps Obama's tactics don't make sense to you because you seem to think his overrall strategic goal, towards which those tactics are being applied, is not negotiating an actual deal, but maximizing leverage for Dems in '14.

            And yes, there's.always.risk to any strategy and tactical maneuvering.  That's life.

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            by Beetwasher on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 05:05:34 AM PDT

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            •  Ok, so you think this is part of positioning for (0+ / 0-)

              the deal. Well, I now have no further reason for talking to you, because you are just as clueless about negotiations as he is.

              •  This still stands (0+ / 0-)

                Do you mean to say the advantage is not electoral positioning but positioning for negotiations with the GOP? I would be amazed by that, because you always start out a negotiation asking for way more than what you want and what you know you're going to get, hoping that when the negotiation is finished you will have been negotiated down to what you really wanted all along or a happy middle ground with a slight advantage to your side. If your claim is that this is Obama positioning for the negotiations, that implies that he thinks he's never going to get ONLY chained CPI, and save the rest of the program, but that he expects to have to submit to many more cuts than just chained CPI. That's what people are on about.  

                •  I'll Place My Bets On The Political Acumen of The (0+ / 0-)

                  Guy sitting in the Oval office, as opposed to some clown in the peanut gallery.

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                  by Beetwasher on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 06:46:22 AM PDT

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              •  It's So Funny That You Think You Know More (0+ / 0-)

                About negotiations and political positioning than the President of the US.  ROFL! You're cute!

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                by Beetwasher on Wed Apr 17, 2013 at 06:45:35 AM PDT

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