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  •  So you don't think that killing civilians (1+ / 0-)
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    with drone strikes has anything to do with terrorist attacks? Or our history in various Muslim countries?

    The historical ignorance in the country is astounding.

    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

    by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 10:25:16 AM PDT

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    •  We have no idea if it has anything to do (0+ / 0-)

      with THIS attack.

      •  We don't know 100%, true (0+ / 0-)

        and unless this kid is caught and not killed then we never really will know for sure, but let's be fair here, these are two brothers who identify as Muslims, one of whom was most likely radicalized and politicized. There's a really good chance that two men who identify as Muslims killing a bunch of people are probably in some way angry about our killing Muslims.

        Saying that we have no idea seems hopelessly naive.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:29:29 AM PDT

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    •  You can be against those things (0+ / 0-)

      but also think that it sounds like blaming the victim to argue that they justify terrorist attacks here in America.  

      "Optimism is better than despair." --Jack Layton, the late Canadian MP, liberal, and Christian.

      by lungfish on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:27:24 AM PDT

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      •  I never argued that they justify attacks (1+ / 0-)
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        But you said that you think our foreign policy had nothing to do with that, and I find that to be terribly unlikely to the point of absurdity. These attacks didn't happen in a vacuum. The people killed certainly didn't have anything to do with our actions in Afghanistan and elsewhere, one was a Chinese national for god's sake, but when our military targets civilians on a regular basis then it's hopelessly naive to think that it won't have some repercussions domestically beyond some moral turpitude.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:33:20 AM PDT

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    •  In fairness, perhaps you didn't (1+ / 0-)
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      intend it to sound that way, but I still think that it's not a totally unreasonable interpretation of your comment.  Also, I don't think my comment was representative of the "historical ignorance in the country;" I'm well aware of all kinds of negative things in our history.  

      "Optimism is better than despair." --Jack Layton, the late Canadian MP, liberal, and Christian.

      by lungfish on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:36:58 AM PDT

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      •  I hate the fact that I have to constantly (2+ / 0-)
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        tell people that I don't think an eight year old boy didn't deserve to die. Can I get a little benefit of the doubt here?

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:43:57 AM PDT

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    •  maybe it has more to do with torrorists (0+ / 0-)

      using civilians as human shields.  They put those civilians in harm's way.  On purpose.

      Btw, Al aqueda has attacked lots of non-Americans.  For example, Al Queda killed dozens of Ugandans that had gathered in a theater to watch the 2010 World Cup on a big screen.  So we can stop pretending that all of their attacks are a result of US policy.

      •  You made the jump from (1+ / 0-)
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        me saying that terrorism against the US is entwined with our history of violence to saying that all terrorism is our fault. I didn't say that. In the case of al Qaeda we did play a role in their creation in the late seventies and the eighties, so lets not pretend like our hands are clean there. We obviously didn't intend for them to spiral out of control and attack us, but that's beside the point.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:34:46 PM PDT

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