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  •  Sure there is. (1+ / 0-)
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    A nutcase with a gun -- a nutcase with 100 guns -- can only hurt the people he can reach.

    A nutcase with a few days and some remote-control explosives can hurt people miles away.

    You have to respond to the threat you face, not the one you wish you faced. And it's officialdom's job to assume that they face the worst threat they can reasonably see from the information at hand. It's not pretty, but it's the job.

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    by pragmaticidealist on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:11:54 AM PDT

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    •  again, if you're going to deal in hypotheticals (0+ / 0-)

      like suggesting that this guy has control over remote control explosives - well, that could be the situation all over the country if somebody decides that's the case.  IOW, authorization to shut down a city, county, or state on a whim, as soon as the general population becomes conditioned to believing these pronouncements.

      That aside, I'm curious how keeping people locked down makes them any safer from remote controlled explosives?  

      What if they're locked down where the explosives are? In that case, oh gee, if only they had been allowed to go someplace else . . ..

      •  Reasonable concerns (0+ / 0-)

        Let's see:

        The bomb fragments at the marathon site include elements readily identifiable (and very familiar to hobbyists) as having come from RC remote control devices.

        One of the suspects was seen in video footage making a cell phone call at about the time one of the bombs went off.

        Conclusive proof that there are remotely controlled bombs planted around the city? Of course not.

        Reasonable cause for concern that there might be, and to act as if there were to ensure public safety? I think most people would say so.

        The initial attack was on a public gathering place. Of the two spots I've seen reported as having received particular police attention (i.e., places suspicious packages have been reported/found), both are public spaces. So yes, keeping people in their homes is in high probability keeping more of them out of harm's way than letting them congregate in exactly that sort of spaces around the city.

        And I'm sorry, but recognizing that an exceptional situation has required an exceptional response is NOT training a population of sheep to accept tyrannical power grabs whenever. Look up the definition of "exceptional" if you need more on this subject.

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        by pragmaticidealist on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:40:20 AM PDT

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        •  Seriously, even NYC wasn't this batshit (0+ / 0-)

          crazy - sure they shut down their bridges to vehicular traffic and their public transportation -but they still let their people walk around freely

          And that was after a WAY worse attack than this.

          This is just paranoia run rampant.

          Either that or Big Brother taking intrusiveness to a whole new level I didn't expect to see in this country for another 7 or 8 years at the earliest.

          •  They also weren't running a manhunt (2+ / 0-)
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            since all known suspects were conveniently dead.

            That's kind of my point. Responses need to fit their situations.

            And, with this, I will cease (for now) arguing the obvious with the obdurate.

            "Do it in the name of Heaven; you can justify it in the end..." - Dennis Lambert & Brian Potter

            by pragmaticidealist on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:53:54 AM PDT

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            •  I guess I should be praising the authorities (0+ / 0-)

              for not putting this lunacy into place immediately following the bombings

              Because they should have based on your criteria of the suspects being alive!

              •  that's not the criterion (2+ / 0-)
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                Responses need to fit their situations.
                Yes, one corollary of that is that one shouldn't mount a manhunt for dead people. But it actually isn't very hard to understand why authorities shut down the T today, but not on Sunday or any day in between -- even if you disagree, in whole or in part, with their actions today.

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                by HudsonValleyMark on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:36:04 PM PDT

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