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    •  He has been for years. (5+ / 0-)

      Mayan Word For 'Apocalypse' Actually Translates More Accurately As "Time Of Pale Obese Gun Monsters."......the Onion

      by lyvwyr101 on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:36:35 AM PDT

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    •  My God! Haven't the Irish suffered enough?!! (10+ / 0-)

      ( I snark, I snark...)

    •  With all due respect, fuck Peter King. (7+ / 0-)

      Any person who justifies one murderous act of terrorism as the brave actions of freedom fighters while simultaneously decrying another as a reprehensible act of savage barbarism is the worst kind of hypocrite.  This guy is beneath any contempt I have in my body.

    •  Let's get some perspective here (7+ / 0-)

      During the seventies, London suffered from about a dozen IRA bombings, and the response was nothing like Boston. No army, lockdowns,  military style response etc.

      The guys are winning, leave a bomb that kills 3 people and millions of people are thinking that they are personally affected - if only because they get a  day off work.

      Bad industrial practices in West, Texas has killed more people, and injured more people than the Boston bombs.

      Since Monday, something like 120 people have been the victims of gun homicides.

      The only way to defeat terrorism is to get on with your life, the chance that you will be a victim is less than the chance that you will die from medical malpractice.

      And right, Peter King is a flaming hypocrite.

      •  it's a fucking active manhunt (4+ / 0-)
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        why are people having so much difficulty with this concept?

        I mean, I guess the cops could just call everything off and go home, let this guy escape because it's too hard to find him. Would that be better?

        Thanks to the internet, bullshit now travels at the speed of light.

        by nota bene on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:56:56 AM PDT

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        •  Yep. (4+ / 0-)
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          If there is an appropriate time for this sort of thing, it's when you have an active gun-toting, potentially bomb-wielding terrorism suspect running around, and authorities trying to catch him.

          It's not like the response isn't about a specific and threatening situation. There is this guy, and he's armed, and he's already killed and maimed people, and he may have explosives. It's not exactly just "we're a little concerned about chatter" or something.

          They'd tell me to stay in or evacuate if SWAT had to show up down the block over some guy threatening to shoot his wife, too. I'm pretty cool with that.

          Everybody is better off if they can get this asshole today, with less time to travel or dig into a weird hidey-hole.

          •  Agreed, no one wants to see a home invasion with (3+ / 0-)

            a terrorist sporting a wearable IED.

            No one wants to see cops shoot the wrong person, because so many people are on the streets, while they actively hunt for a very dangerous, armed individual.

            No one wants to see this person get away, because civilians were in the way, while law enforcement and security forces are hunting for him specifically

            It's a good call, to have people hunker down in their homes. This person was involved in an active fire fight that involved both guns and bombs. Civilians need to -as they say in the Navy, "Make a hole." That means clear the path.

            We all want to reduce the possibility of collateral damage as much as possible.

          •  I mean (3+ / 0-)

            any other time, sure, let's talk about the police state. Let's talk about security kabuki. Let's talk about the militarization Let's talk about the awful legacy Bush Admin policies that Obama has left in place, or even made worse. These are important topics, no doubt.

            But this is a response to actively dangerous people. It's specific. Boston isn't going to be under siege til the end of time.

            I keep coming back to this--what exactly are the cops supposed to do differently?

            Thanks to the internet, bullshit now travels at the speed of light.

            by nota bene on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:14:32 PM PDT

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        •  I believe the comment was appropriate in as far... (3+ / 0-)

          ..that the terrorist here has been identified and is known to be within a cetain radius.

          The rest of the country who isn't glued to a TV is not exactly quivering in a puddle of our own fear-sweat and piss.

          We went to work.

          And to the commenter, you're wrong about the involvement of the British military. There were all kinds of lockdowns, curfews, and limits on travel at that time. Especially in Northern Ireland.

          "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

          by CanisMaximus on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:10:14 PM PDT

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          •  My comment related to London, not NI (1+ / 0-)
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            And I know of which I speak, because I was living there at the time.

            The Northern Ireland situation was more akin to say Bahrain, rather than what happened in Boston. Follow my link, and you will see that Londoners faced bombs on more than an annual basis.

            •  I'm old enough to remember it... (1+ / 0-)
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              ..and you're right... I may have conflated the operations in NI as opposed to what happened in England.

              However I don't recall any bombings in which the perps were immediately identified and a manhunt ensued in a deeply urban area. If they were identified, they were more likely assasinated by MI6.

              The IRA very often gave warning beforehand so that innocents could be evacuated. Granted, some of those bombings were not sanctioned by the IRA.

              "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

              by CanisMaximus on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:32:48 PM PDT

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              •  The perps weren't immediately identified (1+ / 0-)
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                in Boston either. It took a couple of days. But I am sure with facebook face recognition software they had a good idea of who they were looking for before releasing the photos, which spooked the assholes.

                Sometimes "softly softly" is better than calling in the national guard.

                •  Agreed. Looking at the TV machine... (1+ / 0-)
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                  ...it looks like massive over-kill. But if they didn't do it, our politicians would be open to charges of "not doing enough," "soft on terrorism," and all the other canards that come from the Right. Especially, Cthulhu forbid, if someone else loses their life to this piece of shit waste of oxygen.

                  "Wealthy the Spirit which knows its own flight. Stealthy the Hunter who slays his own fright. Blessed is the Traveler who journeys the length of the Light."

                  by CanisMaximus on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:57:45 PM PDT

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        •  Let this guy escape? - they already did. (0+ / 0-)

          They had him pinned down in a street, and he blasted his way out through the road blocks. Listen to the tape, it sounded like something out of full metal jacket, and he still gets away.

          So now their strategy is to go house to house through a whole fucking town and they still can't find him.

          Standard US response - overwhelming force vs grey matter. Force always wins. Except of course in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.

          •  okay, so (0+ / 0-)

            what do you do differently, smart guy? Lay it out.

            Thanks to the internet, bullshit now travels at the speed of light.

            by nota bene on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:22:26 PM PDT

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            •  Ok- let's think about this. (0+ / 0-)

              This guy is not suicidal - he made sure he was clear when the bomb went off.

              When they were holed up in a street, they tried to fight back, but ineffectively.

              However, when the cops poured several hundred rounds down the street, the guy thinks I have to get out of here now, otherwise I am fucked.

              Police response, forget containment, we got AR15's let's have a shoot out.

              Maybe a calmer response would give them more time to effectively block the exits, a couple of 18 wheelers maybe.

              SHOOT FIRST - ENGAGE BRAIN LATER.

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