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  •  Well burn the whole government to the ground! (12+ / 0-)

    Clearly there is NOTHING the government can ever do again that's not tainted by the fucking Bush administration. Oh, and Obama wants to gut SS and build the XKL. That tears it, we can't have any government any more forever and ever.

    WTF does dragging the Iraq war crap into this discussion accomplish? There are bad things the government has done. We get that. But do you think there is ANY good that can come from government or not?

    You can't assassinate the character of any of modern conservative. You'd have to find where it was buried, dig it up, resurrect it, then kill it. And killing a zombie isn't really assassination, is it?

    by ontheleftcoast on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 12:58:22 PM PDT

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    •  you first /nt (1+ / 0-)
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      Warning - some snark above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 GOP Rep. Steve Stockman (TX):"If babies had guns, they wouldn't be aborted"

      by annieli on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:01:06 PM PDT

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    •  Why argue with facts against the (4+ / 0-)
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      stupid?

    •  If you look at the poster's political compass (2+ / 0-)
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      result, he/she is likely an anarchist. In that case, he/she probably does not believe government can do good.

      Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

      by MrAnon on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:15:22 PM PDT

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      •  obviously. (1+ / 0-)
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        Warning - some snark above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 GOP Rep. Steve Stockman (TX):"If babies had guns, they wouldn't be aborted"

        by annieli on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:20:49 PM PDT

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      •  and should be replaced by a system of mutually (4+ / 0-)
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        interested individuals working together to achieve common goals, and assure the safety of collective members.

        In other words, a government.

        •  I'm no anarchist (0+ / 0-)

          But I'm afraid it's not so simple. A rather widely held theory in political science is that the state functions as a stationary bandit - as opposed to the roving bandits you would get in anarchy.

          Republicans are far more socialist than Democrats. Just because they want to redistribute the wealth upwards does not make it any better.

          by MrAnon on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 03:17:43 PM PDT

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          •  Since anarchy (1+ / 0-)
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            as a political theory (social anarchism) doesn't allow individuals to have unwarranted authority over others, in an anarchist society those roving bandits would be swiftly dealt with, since a bandit who uses violence to dominate people is using a form of unwarranted authority, and would thus more likely find refuge in some capitalist state where banditry is often legal [think of banksters] and is far more easily committed.  

            Anarchists wouldn't put up passively with bandits. They would likely cast them out. ;)

            "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

            by ZhenRen on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:40:41 PM PDT

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        •  Words can mean different things (1+ / 0-)
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          Government can mean different things.

          In anarchism, there is no central state authority that is separate and above the people. Instead, the people form worker collectives and participatory communities in which everyone has an equal voice in self management of the community. These collectives and assemblies unite in federations, on local regional and national levels, to which delegates are sent who are immediately recallable and are mandated and directed by the communities. It is much different than government as most people conceive of it. It could be called a form of self-managed government, but it is directly managed from the bottom up, thus it doesn't become a separate entity apart and above people, dictating laws and directives from on high, with no recourse to change it from common people at the bottom.

          In this sense, it is definitely not a government as most people conceive of it.

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 11:31:31 PM PDT

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    •  I trust our government a lot more (6+ / 0-)

      than I trust a bunch of bomb throwers or a gaggle of gun goons who are sick with NRA paranoia.

      •  Don't get me wrong (5+ / 0-)

        I think Reagan's "trust but verify" needs to be applied to our government. But I also believe we need the government and while it may currently be broken in places it's worth saving, not tearing down.

        You can't assassinate the character of any of modern conservative. You'd have to find where it was buried, dig it up, resurrect it, then kill it. And killing a zombie isn't really assassination, is it?

        by ontheleftcoast on Fri Apr 19, 2013 at 01:29:28 PM PDT

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